Brazil is different, because if democracy doesn't work in Brazil, then there is established precedent that governance can resort to something else. With white supremacy and all that. But UK? France? Belgium?
Anyway, I don't think they were hiding it to just not be racist. In the heart of it, they were hiding it to accommodate the project of a Eu-Arabian/Eu-Muslim future.
I'm not sure a competent Sublime Porte is waiting in the wings anywhere these days but who knows. Optimistically, I think the whites who show up for the future will be Amish with guns. They better be, or it's the Great Filter for Terran humans. Either way I'll be long gone.
There's a pretty funny photo out there of a group of Amish walking toward the cameraman and flipping him off but Sailer's gay comment settings don't allow pictures. I'm not sure I'd be the one to test a group of young Amish men's commitment to pacifism. If it comes down to existential threat I think their elders will find some exceptions to that whole turn the other cheek thing.
The reason they are not hiding it now but letting it out into the open is because the demographic transformation is more or less complete. So admitting it now is like publishing "and this is what it will be from now on".
Then elite whites have joined a death cult because they are deluded if they think they won't burn with the rest of us. But I find it hard to believe all of Britain and Europe are just going to march into extinction. I can't see white Americans succumbing en masse to majority non-white rule either. But I'll be long gone in any event.
The demographic change in Eastern EU is far faster than what happened in West Europe because mass Third World immigration is preceded and accompanied by the mass exodus of natives. This is one place where replacement is quite real as young east europeans emigrate to western EU countries and young Third Worlders immigrate, are brought as guests workers or are settled by EU refugee policies.
Russia is also taking in millions of Central Asians and people from the Caucasus while losing ethnic russians to emigration.
It's not really a "like" that I was trying to give-more an acknowledgement of your seeing the crux of this matter. There are in fact examples of reporting of this phenomena back into the 50's, 60's, and 70's when the absolute numbers of perpetrators made the problem somewhat less (if not for the individual victims). But this increasing recognition over the last decade has been happening whilst immigration of "groups over-represented in perpetration' has burgeoned arithmetically. In 1950 there were only 50K (total foreign born) now the population of England is at least 1/4 foreign born (and that was the 2021 census). 1 Million more Pakistanis have arrived in the last decade!
I think you are correct in that it is now both promise and threat that there is nothing that can be done about this and nothing that you can do (and don't dare complain as we are looking at you you troublemaker).
Curtis Yarvin might be right that big D democracy may not be here to stay with the exception of such exotic places like Visegrad states and Israel - particularly as we are in a systemic competition with countries like China and Russia.
Neither party has done anything effective in this sphere for the last thirty years-and sweet Fanny Adams in the twenty preceding that. Even this "bombshell" report obfuscates the extent of the matter with its pitiful manipulation of the numbers. Whining about the information available and how hard it is to be definitive in any conclusion.
What kind of morons do they think they are addressing with this nonsense. Effectively every person charged of a crime (let alone convicted) is going to have a name and a photo. Britain is the land that established GCHQ so it's not like the government doesn't understand how to surveil and record people. There are plenty of records that could be searched to corroborate or improve the information they have. But of course that would make the results even more non-reflective of the country's demographics.
Generally speaking this report has come closest to reaching the obvious conclusions than any of its predecessors and has included demographically damning evidence however the author Baroness Casey still caveats the fact that most child rape gangs are Pakistani for all child abuse it is proportional being a majority of white men. Again, this is disingenuous as the nature of these crimes is broad and unclear and the nature of what white means is similarly opaque when we apparently can't even define what British is (example of India aircrash survivor). Casey happily spends page after page splitting hairs on the numbers when it comes to Pakistanis/Asians but is happy with the broadest brush strokes when it comes to White or British. It's like conflating Romanians with Roma.
As to the nature of child abuse which is supposedly a white problem just have a read of the atrocities that they glibly trivialise as "grooming". Somehow these sentencing remarks got through the cover up. To my knowledge though people sought the release of more from other cases this was denied. I think "they" were concerned it might not be used responsibly as part of the public debate.
The whole situation is so shaming it’s difficult to know how to respond. I agree that Casey is another element of the problem. She’s like an armoured butterfly, fluttering in to the issue every five years shining a torchlight on the issue and declaring that everyone involved is useless. And, then she flutters off again and the status returns.
I don’t agree that the last government did nothing. They tried but they were limp and ineffective. Sajid Javid and Stella Braverman need credit for their efforts. If a Labour government had been in place for the last five years absolutely nothing would have been done & we probably wouldn’t even know about it. Just look at how the PM and our state broadcaster are moving to shut Badenoch up.
My biggest worry is that we no longer have men in the police force or the legal profession to deal with this. An enquiry is necessary but is not sufficient. This will also need strong a strong police response. In 2014 the Conservative government sent 200 National Crime Agency officers into Rotherham to take over the building of historic grooming cases. From what we’re now learning this is going to need thousands of police officers. From the ex police officers I know I suspect that the men now serving are so cowed that they would be terrified to say or do anything that was not politically correct. Keyboard warriors like us or politicians can shout and scream all we like but I fear we no longer have strong people on the ground to do the difficult, unpleasant and grinding work to bring the rapists to justice.
The UK for years has been in deep self imposed shit that’s simply incomprehensible from the other side of the pond. I do understand that the exact same view of the US is probably felt by those overseas. What I simply don’t understand is the lack of freedom of speech, the kowtowing to Muslim immigrants and especially the seeming tolerance of the rape of their daughters. What the fuck has happened to the country of Shakespeare and Churchill? When will they once again show some pride in their long heritage?
I don't want to be racist but in favor of the US comprehensibility, I would take an influx of Mexicans over Pakistanis et al, any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
Yes but mass Hispanic immigration also presents massive problems too. People ignore this because well they aren’t radical Muslims blowing things and people up. There are other ways to destroy and fundamentally change and the non-violent kind is in some ways more insidious.
"... the highest priority in Europe is to never provide any fodder for right-wing organizations."
Half the UK's uniparty finally paid the price last year, but now they're stuck with the deeply-unpopular other half running everything for 4 more years. Starmer has to be neck-deep in the coverup, too.
I'd like to avoid victim-shaming, but how could those girls not find those men creepy and repulsive? Are poor white Englishmen equally so?
It's commendable that you want to avoid victim-shaming of the adolescent girls that were (and are) the targets of the (mostly) Pakistani industrial-rape gangs that were (and are) so common in England's economically-depressed cities (not Greater London, the focus of elite interest). Most of these teens come from fatherless homes, and many are already looked down on for their lower-class "tells" -- accents and education.
Louise Perry has done admirable work in bringing this ongoing scandal to public attention. Consider reading her Jan. 1, 2005 Substack essay, "Why Rotherham Happened." -- https://substack.com/home/post/p-153912141
In her second podcast episode ("The Largest Sex Abuse Scandal of This Century," February 2023), Perry interviewed filmmaker Charlie Peters. His account of the obstacles he had to overcome to make "Grooming Gangs: Britain's Shame" sheds more light on the subject. -- https://www.louiseperry.co.uk/p/2-the-largest-sex-abuse-scandal-of-14d
These girls are not only deprived of stable homes, but in their every encounter with government and the media, be it social workers, teachers, journalists or police, they have been pressured to accept Islamic abuse of women, because multiculturalism is exceedingly more important than their autonomy and personhood, than them being raped and pimped out by Muslims.
If everone in Parliment, the media, and the schools can spout this sickness, with added consequences for not marching in lockstep to it, then how could one expect a deprived, brainwashed adolescent to come to a different conclusion?
What you describe is what really burns me up--the betrayal by authorities at the same time "the Duty of Care" and Health & Safety became their dominant virtues.
Between this and WWT, something's gone seriously wrong with Feminism. Can we date its beginning to 1998 and Establishment support of Clinton?
I think there are many people to blame. In the media and Parliment and police, it's mostly men making these decisions. In schools, and social work, women. In the girls' homes, the mom may be a bad influence, but so is the absent dad.
Imagine explaining to the men fighting in World War II, storming beaches and jumping out of planes, that the "freedom" they were dying for would be spat upon by future generations.
The first time I lived and worked in the UK my visa carried a stamp stating: “NO RECOURSE TO PUBLIC FUNDS”. That was the late 1980s and early 1990s. Years later that condition no longer applied. I did my best looking for some public funds, but the best I could do was getting my monthly Rx via the NHS at Boot’s. For some reason they still charged me £14, so my “recourse” was probably paid for by 15 minutes of PAYE taxes.
England has “compartmentalized” their immigration insanity, choosing certain cities and neighborhoods as depositaries for their huddled masses, often creating instant ghettos and guaranteeing an endless supply of disaffected youth to sustain sales of sharp knives.
Meanwhile, in those parts of the country that are reserved for the Hare & Hounds set, everything and everyone looks like they could be cast in Downton Abbey. A sprinkling of Pakistani and Bangladeshi folks to staff the convenience stores and curry restaurants is permitted, but no mass settlement like Rotherham or Luton or Slough or countless other places that weren’t privileged enough to be preserved.
This isn’t that much different than what’s happened to much of Chicago while Wilmette and Kenilworth look as polished and perfect as ever. There’s parts of New Jersey that look like the Cotswolds…not very far from Newark, which doesn’t look at all like the Cotswolds.
Saving the world is more pleasant if you remain well upwind and many miles removed from those you’ve blessed with your saintly policies. You can feel good without seeing the mess you’ve made.
In 2004 this Australian also had "No recourse to government funds" stamped in my passport. And right up until I became naturalised in 2022 I still got nothing, except access to the NHS after 5 years when I got Indefinite Leave to Remain.
While Britain has massive ethnic enclaves it also has an almost universal rule that Council housing has to be spread in a way to create mixed-income areas so everybody can enjoy the vibrancy of diversity. Only the poshest set can hope to get away from it.
The essential issue for an official inquiry is whether or not it has subpoena power.
Labour has been engaged in a staged retreat from "No inquiry, since we won't like what would be found." From what I've read, Tories and Reform have been hardly better.
The new Hindenberg Line is "Very well, a toothless official inquiry with compromised Commissioners that will rehash decades-old history. Then, Case Closed."
Western European governments internalized the American fetish for diversity and made things even worse by largely importing people from totally alien cultures as well. Assuming future histories of the West are written by whites (as opposed to their demographic conquerors) this era will go down as as social and economic catastrophe.
Europe badly needs well organized nationalist political movements but the problem is that the modern state has more surveillance and propaganda tools at its disposal to squash opposition than ever before and I don’t know if the necessary resistance can even exist. Probably not with significant external (ie American) support at any rate, and we have our own problems.
The only answer is expulsion of large numbers of non-natives and a cultural consensus that the last fifty years were a dreadful mistake never to be repeated. I don’t know if they have it in them.
such a movement would require people to be able to think ahead two or three steps but the average person can think ahead zero. This leaves your only recourse as the exploitation of the base instinct to hate and fear outsiders. But we have all been trained (rightly) to be ashamed of and suppress this instinct.
Wouldn't that be the most intetesting thing ever? I mean, Trump abandons Ukraine and sends troops to Britain to intern authorities in free-speech-training camps?
You and Steyn, VDARE, but especially the New English Review exposed these horrors decades ago. This is always the final consequence of hate crime laws, which create unequal justice based on identity, institutionalizes it, fires police who question it, and replaces them with social justice warriors. Canada and Britain are over because of these laws. If I wrote this in Britain, I would be arrested and interrogated. So, support Tommy Robinson, who did so anyway.
The burden falls, as it so often does, on poor white girls with no adult supervision. Islamic thugs awarded government power protect the brutal Islamic pimps. In addition to mass rapes, the girls are kidnapped, beaten, tortured, and murdered. Considering the numbers and still-emerging cases, I am still entirely unsatisfied by the British government's response to date.
Decades of replacing real police with the hate crime activist types guarantees the practice will continue. The only solution is to oppose these laws. You can still denounce crimes motivated by bias outside the courtroom: inside the courtroom, every victim and every offender is equal before the law. Also, the hate crimes industry, especially the ADL, made sure heterosexual, real women were quietly and entirely extralegally excluded from being counted as hate crime victims. Rape and kill 100 random women -- not hate. Or even one. Abe Foxman dehumanized millions of women in America alone, and destroyed equal justice before the law, because he thought counting random assault and murder victims picked merely for being female would "distract" and "overwhelm" from the statistics he wanted. He used the words "distract" and "overwhelm" in a 1986 policy paper that has been largely disappeared. I have it, though.
Steve, you nailed it as far as the attitude of the rapists.
"If you think it's such a bad thing, why didn't you stop us?"
That's really the crux of it.
I don't think even the United States would have allowed a violent response, but a violent response - castrate and linch the perpetrators, burn down their houses, and kick their families out of the country - would have been appropriate. These Pakistanis are truly savages and savagery is what they understand.
But I do think the United States would have at least responded and punished the perpetrators and not just looked the other way.
Our country - our world, because it spread to the UK from the US - is irredeemably harmed by the "racist" fallacy. That being "racist" is the worst thing one can do in life. We teach it to our children in elementary school and encourage that insanity every day in the press and in our culture. And it is leading to the downfall of civilization. It's just lunacy.
Britain was a little slower to get to white flight from the cities than we Americans but it is going to happen to them. Britain's whites will move to Norfolk, Kent, Sussex, Devon, Cornwall, Lincolnshire, the Lake Country, the Cotswolds, Wiltshire, Wales and the Scottish islands.
What's left of my English relations live in the Stamford area of Lincolnshire. Still very white. Intellectuals tend to live in cities and that colors their point-of-view regarding race.
It's almost as ridiculous to say that the Rotherham rapists were Pakistani as it is to say they were "Asian"- virtually all of them came from Mirpur, a mountainous district of fewer than a half million people.
I believe you already know this, but what needs to happen is relentless investigation, harassment, and collective shaming of the Pakistanis until they adopt British norms*. When a rape happens and police start knocking on doors, the Pakistanis themselves grab the perp and toss him into the street, preferably with a bloody nose and some cracked ribs and ready to talk.
Maybe the English can come up with a more focused and humane remedy. Good luck.
* - Also, I may be overestimating British norms, and American norms are nothing to brag about.
I'm starting to conclude the defense of civilization demands nothing less than that people like Fred and Rose West are shot trying to escape before they even get to the police station. Happy to be proved wrong.
Joseph Colombo founded the Italian-American Civil Rights League in 1970, at the peak of the prior round of societal madness. They tried to convince us that belief in a mafia, in Italian organized crime, simply anti-Italian bigotry on the part of the FBI.
Did the FBI fall for it? Did civilians?
At the League’s first major rally in June 1970 in Columbus Circle, New York — attended by an estimated 50,000 people — FBI agents reportedly rented an apartment overlooking the crowd and dropped water balloons on the rally from above.
Also they might have had Colombo assassinated. People's bullshit detectors were still functional back then. Good old last for ever American manufacturing I suppose. This cheap chinese crap goes bad within a year.
Colombo was most likely whacked by one or all of the other Bosses, he was bringing way too much publicity to Cosa Nostra. The other families hated his stupid League, rightfully so.
The Families comprise a vastly larger space in the imagination of Americans and American cinema than in immigrant Italian communities and their decendents.
The Italians have been hounded by urban crime and by the mafia for 120 years now. My own family was attacked and exploited countless times by both. The beautiful neighborhoods and churches they built are not theirs anymore. We fled from Bed Sty and Hell's Kitchen to Queens to Yonkers to places north, losing hard-earned property and community with each wave of criminals. The founder of the Italian-American Civil Rights League was a mafioso, so, while our family would have nothing to do with them, they appreciated anyone actually articulating and in some cases pushing back at what was being done to Italians for decades in the city. After all, aren't most of the leaders of these ethnic interest groups thugs? That's why they partnered with the Jewish Defence League. Look at the "American Indian" grifters. The ADL of recent decades is just as thuggish. Then there's Sharpton's National Action Network, the Panthers, BLA ect., and now Middle Eastern and various Hispanic iterations.
But those 50,000 Italian-descent citizens who gathered in Columbus Circle weren't there to support the Mob. They virtually all hated the Mob. They wanted the City Government to stop letting criminals destroy what they built, in a city they substantially contributed to building. The mob shook down my grandfather every week. He was sick of being mugged by his own people and by "urban youth." He spit on the ground when anyone mentioned The Grandfather movies. They were an insult to many ordinary Italians. Those were the people in that crowd. But we were mocked for demanding basic dignity and respect for our contributions and integration as Americans.
I don't think they were there to support the mob, but I've never read anywhere that the Columbus circle protest was about demands that the city get serious about crime in their neighborhoods. Near as I can tell they were there to support the goals of the organization which mostly focused on getting italian stereotypes out of media. And, per the summary in wikipedia, a lot of that was about removing mafia references.
I'm aware that the overwhelming majority of Italian Americans hated the mob.
Remember kids, for.a certain kind of person, Brazil is a model for.the future.
Brazil is different, because if democracy doesn't work in Brazil, then there is established precedent that governance can resort to something else. With white supremacy and all that. But UK? France? Belgium?
Anyway, I don't think they were hiding it to just not be racist. In the heart of it, they were hiding it to accommodate the project of a Eu-Arabian/Eu-Muslim future.
I'm not sure a competent Sublime Porte is waiting in the wings anywhere these days but who knows. Optimistically, I think the whites who show up for the future will be Amish with guns. They better be, or it's the Great Filter for Terran humans. Either way I'll be long gone.
Amish with guns is an oxymoron.
So they say. I wouldn't be surprised if they already have them.
You mean they might invent a Meir Kahane of their own? Would be interesting...
There's a pretty funny photo out there of a group of Amish walking toward the cameraman and flipping him off but Sailer's gay comment settings don't allow pictures. I'm not sure I'd be the one to test a group of young Amish men's commitment to pacifism. If it comes down to existential threat I think their elders will find some exceptions to that whole turn the other cheek thing.
The reason they are not hiding it now but letting it out into the open is because the demographic transformation is more or less complete. So admitting it now is like publishing "and this is what it will be from now on".
Then elite whites have joined a death cult because they are deluded if they think they won't burn with the rest of us. But I find it hard to believe all of Britain and Europe are just going to march into extinction. I can't see white Americans succumbing en masse to majority non-white rule either. But I'll be long gone in any event.
Not all Europe. Russia and Visegrad states will hold out. This probably explains the West European hate vis-a-vis Hungary.
The demographic change in Eastern EU is far faster than what happened in West Europe because mass Third World immigration is preceded and accompanied by the mass exodus of natives. This is one place where replacement is quite real as young east europeans emigrate to western EU countries and young Third Worlders immigrate, are brought as guests workers or are settled by EU refugee policies.
Russia is also taking in millions of Central Asians and people from the Caucasus while losing ethnic russians to emigration.
Yes, but Russia is also having Russian Orthodox Missionizing. It's no longer a society very open to globalistic influence.
It's not really a "like" that I was trying to give-more an acknowledgement of your seeing the crux of this matter. There are in fact examples of reporting of this phenomena back into the 50's, 60's, and 70's when the absolute numbers of perpetrators made the problem somewhat less (if not for the individual victims). But this increasing recognition over the last decade has been happening whilst immigration of "groups over-represented in perpetration' has burgeoned arithmetically. In 1950 there were only 50K (total foreign born) now the population of England is at least 1/4 foreign born (and that was the 2021 census). 1 Million more Pakistanis have arrived in the last decade!
I think you are correct in that it is now both promise and threat that there is nothing that can be done about this and nothing that you can do (and don't dare complain as we are looking at you you troublemaker).
So, sorry-more a commiseration than a like.
Curtis Yarvin might be right that big D democracy may not be here to stay with the exception of such exotic places like Visegrad states and Israel - particularly as we are in a systemic competition with countries like China and Russia.
I was late but at least it was May 2013
Unz.com/jthompson/sex-gangs
The British government and the Labour Party in particular have admitted and conceded nothing. Yesterday was nothing more than another turn of the obfuscation machine. I would refer you to this example of what’s actually happening 😏https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/is-this-the-worst-labour-mp-in-parliament/
Whether Britons like it or not, Labour will rule for another four years. Thank Tory incompetence for that.
It's not incompetence - Tories believe in the same things. Remember Two Tier Keir was Director of Public Prosecution under Tory government?
Neither party has done anything effective in this sphere for the last thirty years-and sweet Fanny Adams in the twenty preceding that. Even this "bombshell" report obfuscates the extent of the matter with its pitiful manipulation of the numbers. Whining about the information available and how hard it is to be definitive in any conclusion.
What kind of morons do they think they are addressing with this nonsense. Effectively every person charged of a crime (let alone convicted) is going to have a name and a photo. Britain is the land that established GCHQ so it's not like the government doesn't understand how to surveil and record people. There are plenty of records that could be searched to corroborate or improve the information they have. But of course that would make the results even more non-reflective of the country's demographics.
Generally speaking this report has come closest to reaching the obvious conclusions than any of its predecessors and has included demographically damning evidence however the author Baroness Casey still caveats the fact that most child rape gangs are Pakistani for all child abuse it is proportional being a majority of white men. Again, this is disingenuous as the nature of these crimes is broad and unclear and the nature of what white means is similarly opaque when we apparently can't even define what British is (example of India aircrash survivor). Casey happily spends page after page splitting hairs on the numbers when it comes to Pakistanis/Asians but is happy with the broadest brush strokes when it comes to White or British. It's like conflating Romanians with Roma.
As to the nature of child abuse which is supposedly a white problem just have a read of the atrocities that they glibly trivialise as "grooming". Somehow these sentencing remarks got through the cover up. To my knowledge though people sought the release of more from other cases this was denied. I think "they" were concerned it might not be used responsibly as part of the public debate.
https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/JCO/Documents/Judgments/sentencing-remarks-r-v-dogar-others.pdf
Jesus wept.
The whole situation is so shaming it’s difficult to know how to respond. I agree that Casey is another element of the problem. She’s like an armoured butterfly, fluttering in to the issue every five years shining a torchlight on the issue and declaring that everyone involved is useless. And, then she flutters off again and the status returns.
I don’t agree that the last government did nothing. They tried but they were limp and ineffective. Sajid Javid and Stella Braverman need credit for their efforts. If a Labour government had been in place for the last five years absolutely nothing would have been done & we probably wouldn’t even know about it. Just look at how the PM and our state broadcaster are moving to shut Badenoch up.
My biggest worry is that we no longer have men in the police force or the legal profession to deal with this. An enquiry is necessary but is not sufficient. This will also need strong a strong police response. In 2014 the Conservative government sent 200 National Crime Agency officers into Rotherham to take over the building of historic grooming cases. From what we’re now learning this is going to need thousands of police officers. From the ex police officers I know I suspect that the men now serving are so cowed that they would be terrified to say or do anything that was not politically correct. Keyboard warriors like us or politicians can shout and scream all we like but I fear we no longer have strong people on the ground to do the difficult, unpleasant and grinding work to bring the rapists to justice.
True.
The UK for years has been in deep self imposed shit that’s simply incomprehensible from the other side of the pond. I do understand that the exact same view of the US is probably felt by those overseas. What I simply don’t understand is the lack of freedom of speech, the kowtowing to Muslim immigrants and especially the seeming tolerance of the rape of their daughters. What the fuck has happened to the country of Shakespeare and Churchill? When will they once again show some pride in their long heritage?
I don't want to be racist but in favor of the US comprehensibility, I would take an influx of Mexicans over Pakistanis et al, any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
Yes but mass Hispanic immigration also presents massive problems too. People ignore this because well they aren’t radical Muslims blowing things and people up. There are other ways to destroy and fundamentally change and the non-violent kind is in some ways more insidious.
Ritchie Valens and the Mavericks is more than we've ever got from Mirpur
Actually, they have extremely high rates of sexual child abuse too, and they traffick girls and women for forced prostitution and men for labor.
Fair enough. I still like our odds better than the UK.
"... the highest priority in Europe is to never provide any fodder for right-wing organizations."
Half the UK's uniparty finally paid the price last year, but now they're stuck with the deeply-unpopular other half running everything for 4 more years. Starmer has to be neck-deep in the coverup, too.
I'd like to avoid victim-shaming, but how could those girls not find those men creepy and repulsive? Are poor white Englishmen equally so?
It's commendable that you want to avoid victim-shaming of the adolescent girls that were (and are) the targets of the (mostly) Pakistani industrial-rape gangs that were (and are) so common in England's economically-depressed cities (not Greater London, the focus of elite interest). Most of these teens come from fatherless homes, and many are already looked down on for their lower-class "tells" -- accents and education.
Louise Perry has done admirable work in bringing this ongoing scandal to public attention. Consider reading her Jan. 1, 2005 Substack essay, "Why Rotherham Happened." -- https://substack.com/home/post/p-153912141
In her second podcast episode ("The Largest Sex Abuse Scandal of This Century," February 2023), Perry interviewed filmmaker Charlie Peters. His account of the obstacles he had to overcome to make "Grooming Gangs: Britain's Shame" sheds more light on the subject. -- https://www.louiseperry.co.uk/p/2-the-largest-sex-abuse-scandal-of-14d
These girls are not only deprived of stable homes, but in their every encounter with government and the media, be it social workers, teachers, journalists or police, they have been pressured to accept Islamic abuse of women, because multiculturalism is exceedingly more important than their autonomy and personhood, than them being raped and pimped out by Muslims.
If everone in Parliment, the media, and the schools can spout this sickness, with added consequences for not marching in lockstep to it, then how could one expect a deprived, brainwashed adolescent to come to a different conclusion?
What you describe is what really burns me up--the betrayal by authorities at the same time "the Duty of Care" and Health & Safety became their dominant virtues.
Between this and WWT, something's gone seriously wrong with Feminism. Can we date its beginning to 1998 and Establishment support of Clinton?
I think there are many people to blame. In the media and Parliment and police, it's mostly men making these decisions. In schools, and social work, women. In the girls' homes, the mom may be a bad influence, but so is the absent dad.
I blame them all.
Imagine explaining to the men fighting in World War II, storming beaches and jumping out of planes, that the "freedom" they were dying for would be spat upon by future generations.
The first time I lived and worked in the UK my visa carried a stamp stating: “NO RECOURSE TO PUBLIC FUNDS”. That was the late 1980s and early 1990s. Years later that condition no longer applied. I did my best looking for some public funds, but the best I could do was getting my monthly Rx via the NHS at Boot’s. For some reason they still charged me £14, so my “recourse” was probably paid for by 15 minutes of PAYE taxes.
England has “compartmentalized” their immigration insanity, choosing certain cities and neighborhoods as depositaries for their huddled masses, often creating instant ghettos and guaranteeing an endless supply of disaffected youth to sustain sales of sharp knives.
Meanwhile, in those parts of the country that are reserved for the Hare & Hounds set, everything and everyone looks like they could be cast in Downton Abbey. A sprinkling of Pakistani and Bangladeshi folks to staff the convenience stores and curry restaurants is permitted, but no mass settlement like Rotherham or Luton or Slough or countless other places that weren’t privileged enough to be preserved.
This isn’t that much different than what’s happened to much of Chicago while Wilmette and Kenilworth look as polished and perfect as ever. There’s parts of New Jersey that look like the Cotswolds…not very far from Newark, which doesn’t look at all like the Cotswolds.
Saving the world is more pleasant if you remain well upwind and many miles removed from those you’ve blessed with your saintly policies. You can feel good without seeing the mess you’ve made.
White flight, good school districts, and "prices discriminate so we don't have to" are real phenomena on both sides of the Atlantic.
In 2004 this Australian also had "No recourse to government funds" stamped in my passport. And right up until I became naturalised in 2022 I still got nothing, except access to the NHS after 5 years when I got Indefinite Leave to Remain.
While Britain has massive ethnic enclaves it also has an almost universal rule that Council housing has to be spread in a way to create mixed-income areas so everybody can enjoy the vibrancy of diversity. Only the poshest set can hope to get away from it.
If I were a Muslim I’d despise the West.
So you're saying you'd be devout.
Wouldn’t have to be, I’d be a hypocrite.
The only open question is how the official inquiry will be whitewashed.
Will it be:
(1) A whole bunch of bureaucratic tail covering ("mistakes were made," "we don't have enough information," "we're not here to talk about the past")
And/or
(2) Finding a fall guy diversion (e.g. Andrew Tate)
The essential issue for an official inquiry is whether or not it has subpoena power.
Labour has been engaged in a staged retreat from "No inquiry, since we won't like what would be found." From what I've read, Tories and Reform have been hardly better.
The new Hindenberg Line is "Very well, a toothless official inquiry with compromised Commissioners that will rehash decades-old history. Then, Case Closed."
Western European governments internalized the American fetish for diversity and made things even worse by largely importing people from totally alien cultures as well. Assuming future histories of the West are written by whites (as opposed to their demographic conquerors) this era will go down as as social and economic catastrophe.
Europe badly needs well organized nationalist political movements but the problem is that the modern state has more surveillance and propaganda tools at its disposal to squash opposition than ever before and I don’t know if the necessary resistance can even exist. Probably not with significant external (ie American) support at any rate, and we have our own problems.
The only answer is expulsion of large numbers of non-natives and a cultural consensus that the last fifty years were a dreadful mistake never to be repeated. I don’t know if they have it in them.
such a movement would require people to be able to think ahead two or three steps but the average person can think ahead zero. This leaves your only recourse as the exploitation of the base instinct to hate and fear outsiders. But we have all been trained (rightly) to be ashamed of and suppress this instinct.
This morning, I watched this Andrew Gold interview with a military historian about likely civil war in Europe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf0VKszbn7Q
They (have to?) dance around the specific cultural differences that will ignite it.
Wouldn't that be the most intetesting thing ever? I mean, Trump abandons Ukraine and sends troops to Britain to intern authorities in free-speech-training camps?
You and Steyn, VDARE, but especially the New English Review exposed these horrors decades ago. This is always the final consequence of hate crime laws, which create unequal justice based on identity, institutionalizes it, fires police who question it, and replaces them with social justice warriors. Canada and Britain are over because of these laws. If I wrote this in Britain, I would be arrested and interrogated. So, support Tommy Robinson, who did so anyway.
The burden falls, as it so often does, on poor white girls with no adult supervision. Islamic thugs awarded government power protect the brutal Islamic pimps. In addition to mass rapes, the girls are kidnapped, beaten, tortured, and murdered. Considering the numbers and still-emerging cases, I am still entirely unsatisfied by the British government's response to date.
Decades of replacing real police with the hate crime activist types guarantees the practice will continue. The only solution is to oppose these laws. You can still denounce crimes motivated by bias outside the courtroom: inside the courtroom, every victim and every offender is equal before the law. Also, the hate crimes industry, especially the ADL, made sure heterosexual, real women were quietly and entirely extralegally excluded from being counted as hate crime victims. Rape and kill 100 random women -- not hate. Or even one. Abe Foxman dehumanized millions of women in America alone, and destroyed equal justice before the law, because he thought counting random assault and murder victims picked merely for being female would "distract" and "overwhelm" from the statistics he wanted. He used the words "distract" and "overwhelm" in a 1986 policy paper that has been largely disappeared. I have it, though.
Steve, you nailed it as far as the attitude of the rapists.
"If you think it's such a bad thing, why didn't you stop us?"
That's really the crux of it.
I don't think even the United States would have allowed a violent response, but a violent response - castrate and linch the perpetrators, burn down their houses, and kick their families out of the country - would have been appropriate. These Pakistanis are truly savages and savagery is what they understand.
But I do think the United States would have at least responded and punished the perpetrators and not just looked the other way.
Our country - our world, because it spread to the UK from the US - is irredeemably harmed by the "racist" fallacy. That being "racist" is the worst thing one can do in life. We teach it to our children in elementary school and encourage that insanity every day in the press and in our culture. And it is leading to the downfall of civilization. It's just lunacy.
Britain was a little slower to get to white flight from the cities than we Americans but it is going to happen to them. Britain's whites will move to Norfolk, Kent, Sussex, Devon, Cornwall, Lincolnshire, the Lake Country, the Cotswolds, Wiltshire, Wales and the Scottish islands.
My mom watches HGTV and it is full of programs about urban Brits moving to the countryside. Lots of boroughs are still 90+% white.
What's left of my English relations live in the Stamford area of Lincolnshire. Still very white. Intellectuals tend to live in cities and that colors their point-of-view regarding race.
They'd better mine the bridges in Stamford to keep the new Danes out.
It's almost as ridiculous to say that the Rotherham rapists were Pakistani as it is to say they were "Asian"- virtually all of them came from Mirpur, a mountainous district of fewer than a half million people.
I’m not understanding your point. Mirpur is in Pakistan, so why is it ridiculous to say they were “Pakistani”?
The logic there is that you're lumping the rest of Pakistan in with a "Mirpur exclusive" behaviour.
Exactly, it's like calling them "Asians" or "Earthmen."
I believe you already know this, but what needs to happen is relentless investigation, harassment, and collective shaming of the Pakistanis until they adopt British norms*. When a rape happens and police start knocking on doors, the Pakistanis themselves grab the perp and toss him into the street, preferably with a bloody nose and some cracked ribs and ready to talk.
Maybe the English can come up with a more focused and humane remedy. Good luck.
* - Also, I may be overestimating British norms, and American norms are nothing to brag about.
I'm starting to conclude the defense of civilization demands nothing less than that people like Fred and Rose West are shot trying to escape before they even get to the police station. Happy to be proved wrong.
Do you have similar information about the dozen or so other cities with Pakistani raping gangs?
Joseph Colombo founded the Italian-American Civil Rights League in 1970, at the peak of the prior round of societal madness. They tried to convince us that belief in a mafia, in Italian organized crime, simply anti-Italian bigotry on the part of the FBI.
Did the FBI fall for it? Did civilians?
At the League’s first major rally in June 1970 in Columbus Circle, New York — attended by an estimated 50,000 people — FBI agents reportedly rented an apartment overlooking the crowd and dropped water balloons on the rally from above.
Also they might have had Colombo assassinated. People's bullshit detectors were still functional back then. Good old last for ever American manufacturing I suppose. This cheap chinese crap goes bad within a year.
Colombo was most likely whacked by one or all of the other Bosses, he was bringing way too much publicity to Cosa Nostra. The other families hated his stupid League, rightfully so.
The Families comprise a vastly larger space in the imagination of Americans and American cinema than in immigrant Italian communities and their decendents.
The Italians have been hounded by urban crime and by the mafia for 120 years now. My own family was attacked and exploited countless times by both. The beautiful neighborhoods and churches they built are not theirs anymore. We fled from Bed Sty and Hell's Kitchen to Queens to Yonkers to places north, losing hard-earned property and community with each wave of criminals. The founder of the Italian-American Civil Rights League was a mafioso, so, while our family would have nothing to do with them, they appreciated anyone actually articulating and in some cases pushing back at what was being done to Italians for decades in the city. After all, aren't most of the leaders of these ethnic interest groups thugs? That's why they partnered with the Jewish Defence League. Look at the "American Indian" grifters. The ADL of recent decades is just as thuggish. Then there's Sharpton's National Action Network, the Panthers, BLA ect., and now Middle Eastern and various Hispanic iterations.
But those 50,000 Italian-descent citizens who gathered in Columbus Circle weren't there to support the Mob. They virtually all hated the Mob. They wanted the City Government to stop letting criminals destroy what they built, in a city they substantially contributed to building. The mob shook down my grandfather every week. He was sick of being mugged by his own people and by "urban youth." He spit on the ground when anyone mentioned The Grandfather movies. They were an insult to many ordinary Italians. Those were the people in that crowd. But we were mocked for demanding basic dignity and respect for our contributions and integration as Americans.
Godfather movies. Turning off spellcheck.
I don't think they were there to support the mob, but I've never read anywhere that the Columbus circle protest was about demands that the city get serious about crime in their neighborhoods. Near as I can tell they were there to support the goals of the organization which mostly focused on getting italian stereotypes out of media. And, per the summary in wikipedia, a lot of that was about removing mafia references.
I'm aware that the overwhelming majority of Italian Americans hated the mob.