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Craig in Maine's avatar

The Conservative Party could have instituted such a shift post-Brexit and would have solidified their position with the electorate. I’ll never understand why they did not.

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The Anti-Gnostic's avatar

Bribery, back-loaded and laundered through several layers of "non-profits?" Fanatical, universalist ideology, even at the expense of political victory?

I don't know either. We're not in the club so I guess we'll never know.

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E. H. Hail's avatar

To say something obvious: The reason the Conservative Party failed must be attributed to its leaders.

British prime ministers since Brexit (each had problems preventing aggressive immigration-restriction momentum):

-- Teresa May, July 2016 to July 2019

-- Boris Johnson, July 2019 to Sept 2022

-- Liz Truss, Sept 2022 to Oct 2022

(Liz Truss thrown out in a palace coup led by several scheming minister of South Asian-origin, leading to...)

-- Rishi Sunak, Oct 2022 to July 2024

(July 2024 election, mass-scale right-wing defection nearly wipes out Conservative Party)

-- Keir Starmer, July 2024 to Present

Boris Johnson, too much of an attention-seeker to have the moral determination to send migrants back?

That Rishi Sunak's government wouldn't be serious about a White Britain policy is too obvious to bother with.

Why did Teresa May fail to deport migrants and move towards a White Britain policy?

By the time of the July 2024 election, enough White British people were fed up with this Conservative Party they voted tactically to try to destroy it.

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barnabus's avatar

Because the legal environment is very pro-immigration and because they wanted to shore up their pension system

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E. H. Hail's avatar

how does it shore up the pension system?

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barnabus's avatar

They think race, religion and upbringing doesn't count. If it makes demographic younger, that's it - go ahead! It's not uncommon to find older folks therefore vote for pro-immigration parties.

It's kind of rational, if you rely on the "experts", argument.

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..'s avatar

We all know it doesn't, and they do too. Plenty of data to prove it. So why continue? They are getting rich off it. I'm still a bit squeamish to agree they do it as punishment to natives but it is harder to not see it that way as time goes on.

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Richard Bicker's avatar

They are true believers, the most dangerous type of human being on earth.

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barnabus's avatar

Getting rich off is useless, because where are your offspring going to spend it? In UAE? How long will that last when the West has collapsed?

No, those people are not corrupt, they are simply stoopid.

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..'s avatar

If you were rich you wouldn't say that.

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barnabus's avatar

Nope. People who acquire wealth (unlike those who inherit) are usually quite smart. You can't take your riches with you after you die, so your best case is that your offspring inherit it.

But what if the edifice in which your offspring live collapses? Then, it's gone. Happened for example to a lot of patrician folks that lived in France in the 6th and 7th century - at some point the edifice was no longer there, population dropped down like stone and people huddled in primitive buildings. For example, they refashioned the Nimes colosseum into cave-like building to house what remained of Nimes, because it was like the last building standing.

So yes, some people are smart but stoopid. Like in enterprize-smart but politically stupid. Take George Soros for example. He has several kids, but only one is halachically Jewish. So he chooses that one, Alex, as his heir. So that one goes off and marries an infertile sh*kse. End of the line.

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E. H. Hail's avatar

"it was more crucial to the ruling class to denounce people Brita like mw=s as the Bad Guys"

I am trying to come up with something clever for what "people Brita like mw=s" might mean but so far have come up empty.

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Kelly Harbeson's avatar

I hope you find enlightenment on this. I don't expect to. Just more Artificial Ignorance?

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Ralph L's avatar

I'm sure it's supposed to be "people like me as the Bad Guys."

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E. H. Hail's avatar

Were the UK's anti-migrant, White riots of August 2024 (after the election) a turning-point towards immigration restriction?

There has been something of a sustained street-politics movement ever since the riots, by similar people but without the lawless violence of the 2024 riots.

"It didn't need to be this way."

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barnabus's avatar

Nope. It's just now. Maybe it's Fear of God (or Farage).

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E. H. Hail's avatar

What % of Denmark residents in 2025 are of non-Danish / non-NW-Europe / non-European origin?

How does this compare with similar countries?

This is the important question.

Trump once said off the cuff, in his usual style, that he wanted his big beautiful wall to have a wide gate and hoped to see LEE-GULL immigrants "in the highest numbers ever."

There is still, I think, a good chance of a big Trump Betrayal of exactly that kind. Cracking down on illegals to some degree but offsetting any gains by increasing legal migrants, amounting to a big shell game.

What we want is a policy that seeks to stabilize and if possible increase the ethnocultural core share-of-population, not shell games and a well-oiled, wide-open gate.

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Richard Bicker's avatar

Yes, but from Norway, South Africa, and the like, not "shit hole" countries.

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E. H. Hail's avatar

I think Denmark's stock of non-Westerners is on the same "order of magnitude" as other similarly-placed countries'. Maybe less, but showing the same tendencies. Maybe someone can tease of race data in the Denmark govt. statistical databased.

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Richard Bicker's avatar

I meant Trump's preferred mix, not Denmark's actual one.

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The Shadowbanned's avatar

I'll believe them when they get to pre-Brexit immigration levels. My guess is this is all media posturing and the Home Office is going to continue rubber-stamping every family reunification and student visa, while judges refuse to deport illegals since they might have to shave their beard (real reason a Tajik was allowed to stay).

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Kelly Harbeson's avatar

As Mark Steyn has pointed out repeatedly, if the will of the people can't be satisfied by the ballot box, the people will be forced to take less acceptable means to achieve it! Cheers to the Danes for listening to their people instead of telling them what to think. Maybe the idea will catch on!

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Captain Tripps's avatar

I've always liked the 4 stage description of "soap box--jury box--ballot box--cartridge box"; if the first three fail and/or become corrupted; you inevitably get the fourth.

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Kelly Harbeson's avatar

I follow the "Four Boxes Diner" podcast 🤎

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Jim Don Bob's avatar

I'll take "Things That will Never Happen" for $1000, Ken.

Shabana Mahmood is a Muslim.

Mohammed and its variations are the top name for boys in the UK.

England's second largest city is Birmingham and it is 40% Muslim.

Britain imported 3-4 million Muslims, mostly Pakis, since 2020.

Starmer's government has been relentless in prosecuting speech criticizing anything Muslim, while letting he Muzzies do what they want. A man was recently told not to walk his dog on a certain street because it might offend the Muzzies.

The Muzzies have been raping white English girls for over 20 years now, and it is still being covered up because no one wants to be racist. Imagine the reaction if the roles were reversed.

Mark Steyn has been banging on about this since the early 2000s. It is probably too late to avoid civil war.

Machine gunning a refugee boat and posting the video online might help.

There is no such thing as "temporary" asylum. People from El Salvador have been on Temporary Protected Status in the US since the late 80s.

The Muzzies now have a foot hold in NYC and Dearborn Michigan.

This will get a lot worse before it gets better.

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Richard Bicker's avatar

Don't forget the massive numbers of Somalis in Minneapolis-St. Paul, Minnesota and, what, Maine and other places in New England. Those nice Lutheran church ladies—gotta love 'em.

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Tina Trent's avatar

Maine is over.

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Jim Don Bob's avatar

The 100k or so of worthless Somalis in Minneapolis-St. Paul, Minnesota are evidently composed of multiple clans. Two of the largest are the Daarood clan and the Hawiye clan.

Somali Mayoral candidate Omar Fateh, who looks like the hijacker in Captain Phillips, lost to incumbent Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey by only about 6 points because he was from the Daarood clan and the Hawiye clan refused to vote for him despite Ilan Omar (D-Somalia) exhorting all the clans to stick together.

https://redstate.com/streiff/2025/11/08/were-doomed-omar-fateh-lost-the-minneapolis-mayors-race-because-he-lost-the-loyalty-of-somali-clans-n2196011

Somalia IQ is about 67 (https://www.iq-international-test.com/en/test/IQ_by_country) but these geniuses were able to steal, with the help of a white woman, a quarter of a billion dollars from the state meals program right under the nose of he who might have been VP Timmy Walz.

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Kelly Harbeson's avatar

"Machine gunning refugee boats..." I have said for years that if we don't act as they are coming in, we will be forced to act after they are here.

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Richard Bicker's avatar

"The Camp of the Saints"...not a bullet will EVER be fired. We're too civilized to protect and maintain our civilization.

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Kelly Harbeson's avatar

I haven't read that one but I agree. In Houelbec's "Submission" the governments are all in on it.

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Erik's avatar

Loves dogs would be a great first level filter for an immigration test.

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Jim Don Bob's avatar

And Bacon. Don't forget the bacon.

I forgot to mention that there was a recent soccer match between an Israeli team and some British team. They told the Jews not to come because there would be violence. Those who did show up were separated from the rest of the crowd by a wire fence. Dhimmitude brought to your by your own government.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/antisemitism-charge-kicked-around-as-maccabi-tel-aviv-fans-barred-from-uk-match/

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Erik's avatar

I kept seeing a video on X of a regular cop in Britain telling a Jewish man to shoo because his presence would provoke violence from the muslim protestors. Assuming that is what was going on and assuming it represents a general attitude of the government (i.e. control the provocation rather than the violence) the UK is, as they say nowadays, already cooked.

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folkenemine's avatar

And yet, does Steyn ever, ever, ever name what great common denominator is most responsible for the "refugee" industry? Ever? Of course not. Steyn is part of the problem. Name who's doing it, and why, and then we can actually begin to try to do something about it.

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Tina Trent's avatar

I don't think he's such a shrinking lily. Read his books. Credit where credit is due. And he lawfare against him led to three heart attacks, unrecognized by courts for delay.

They're literally killing hIm.

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Tina Trent's avatar

Frankly, what have you done?

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Erik's avatar

What is the great common denominator?

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The Anti-Gnostic's avatar

Several greatly ballyhooed verses in the Old and New Testaments, and I am being completely serious.

My favorite is the Good Samaritan parable being pretzeled into a pro- immigration narrative. An acquaintance irreverently calls it the Parable of the Jew In the Ditch. And the actual message to the young Saducee is not welfare for Palestinian and Meso-American immigrants, but that you should love your kind, generous neighbors, even if they're mischling pretend-Jews like the Samaritans.

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Richard Bicker's avatar

Lutheran church ladies? I think Steyn has mentioned them...

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Kelly Harbeson's avatar

Another anti-semite poluting the consevative revival

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AnotherDad's avatar

> t comes as a further 1,269 migrants crossed the English Channel in small boats on Thursday and Friday, the latest Home Office figures show. This follows two weeks of bad weather when there were no crossings.

Shabana Mahmood sent officials to Denmark to study its immigration system <

I get annoyed with all this nonsense that this requires careful "study" and all sorts of rules--even reasonable ones like the Danes--are required.

What an absolute crock of shit. There is absolutely no requirement to let *any* foreigners into your country. In fact, it is a dereliction of your duty to your citizens if said foreigner's presence is not a long term benefit to your nation's people. (Which is very rare.)

Simply *do not let them in* ... and the problem completely vanishes. Completely, "small boats" and all.

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Ralph L's avatar

I saw on X yesterday that the German CD party has agreed to repatriations. Is that official?

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Kelly Harbeson's avatar

Hasn't Germany been paying reparations since the 50's in one way or another? Up to the point where the Russians started to squeeze them Germany was the economic powerhouse of Europe.

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Ralph L's avatar

Repatriations, not reparations. Deflating Merkel's Boner, in Sailer's parlance.

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Kelly Harbeson's avatar

My bad! Repatriations, remigration, self-deportation, whatever you want to call it is needed and it behooves us all to encourage it by any means neccessary!

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AnotherDad's avatar

We American conservatives like to imagine that we are sane, manly, gun-toting, based normies compared to those wimpy, socialist Euro-weenies.

But while Europe is indeed a mess--collapsing quickly--the polling shows that Europeans are actually much more based about demographics/immigration. Many more Euros seem to have a strong sense of their nation ethnic identity and its importance.

Even in the disastrous UK--which has the misfortune to have be pickled of US minoritarian propaganda since the War and has totalitarian finger waging, church lady elites--people are more based. Conservatives there actually want to stay white and British!

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2025/11/01/overton-window-speedrun-british-voters-now-more-right-wing-on-immigration-than-americans/

And skipping over to the flip side of the Anglo-sphere, in Australia--which is abolishing itself about as fast as Canada--a majority of people of *every political party*--from Pauline Hanson's "One Nation", through the Nats/Libs, through Labor and even the Greens--want less immigration.

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/latest-newspoll-reveals-almost-twothirds-of-australians-want-fewer-immigrants-in-major-warning-to-albanese-government/news-story/a5b954dbdb15cd978b57420cc3047659

Of course, the Labor government is not going to do that. It claims instead it will "manage the effects" or something. But the *people*--despite all the propaganda--trend somewhat sane.

In contrast in the US, we can muster a majority against *illegal* immigration and Democrat voters--as just demonstrated--are against cooperating with Trump to do even that.

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AnotherDad's avatar

BTW count me as skeptical of anything coming from this government.

This turd Keir Starmer, while he comes across as a bowl of rice pudding with his permanent deer-in-the-headlights look, is an avid true believer in all the "Human Rights" glop. He worked his way up the greasy pole lots of "human rights" lawfare. He's a born yard-signer type. Just loves legalist process.

He turned over the Chagos Islands--to people who have absolutely nothing to do with the Chagos Islanders--because some international busy-body court told him to.

His one-in-one-out deal with France to handle channel invaders is the dumbest "fix" imaginable. Basically when an invader shows up Starmer may send him back to France ... but in return agrees to take in an invader who has filed asylum paperwork in France. In order words--math is hard!--everytime a migrant shows up someone is getting in, even if not that guy.

Starmer is the anti-thesis of a "just do it", "get a wrench and fix the problem" type guy. Starmer would easily be the worst British Prime Minister ever ... if it weren't for all the previous Labor PM's who kicked off and ramped up this immivasion tsunami and all the Tory PMs who did absolutely nothing to stop it.

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Richard Bicker's avatar

Human rights lawyer, what do you expect? I like English arch-conserative David Starkey's observation: the foundation of universal human rights theory rests, not on divine decree, but on the existence of a mythical universal human. All state efforts are therefore directed towards the manufacture and endowment of such creatures. Doom, of course, inevitably follows.

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Jim Don Bob's avatar

Starmer was also talking about turning over Diego Garcia to some aborigines who might have lived there 10,000 years ago. Or something.

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James T. Kirk's avatar

I’m sure someone named Shabana Mahmood will do everything she can to lower immigration.

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Erik's avatar

Could be feeling that they have pushed it too far and if they don't show that they are the "good muslims" the backlash might be severe. Muslim majority countries have a history of severe "pushback" when a slightly different sect gets too big for its britches.

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Kelly Harbeson's avatar

If all immigrants were worried about a "backlash" they'd be more welcome!

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Patrick's avatar

I'm certainly all for it. We did a soccer trip and stopped and stadiums in Birmingham and Luton and let's just say we could have been in Karachi and Islamabad.

That being said, I have never seen anyone work harder than Mexican roofers. Dawn to past dusk. They put in a shift. Conversely, i hired the lowest bidder to install patio pavers. The white laborer was an hour late with DTs. <1% chance that dude makes it to 60.

The dudes who dug the Erie canal turned out to be great citizens. The dudes who moved to Rotterdam not so much.

There has to be more choices besides human caravans and armed and masked agents grabbing preschools teachers in front of 3 year olds.

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Boulevardier's avatar

Whatever they do will be a limp wristed half measure intended to fool the populace while keeping the left mostly happy.

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Erik's avatar

I love that they describe this as 'shaking things up'. This isn't a reversal. It's--well it's not your dad's immigration policy. It's new, progressive, a little edgy, a little dangerous (but you know, like sexy dangerous, not dangerous dangerous).

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ScarletNumber's avatar

> Nazi Germany 2.0

Speaking of which, the Indianapolis Colts led by Daniel Jones defeated the Atlanta Falcons this afternoon at Olympiastadion in Berlin. Tweets abound from those who are just realizing that a game being played in an Olympic stadium in Berlin is the same one that became famous almost 90 years ago because of Jesse Owens et al.

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