The Chinese don't drink that much, although the Koreans reminded P.J. O'Rourke of his Northern Irish kin: work hard and drink hard. Do South Asians drink much? I don't think so, but I'm stumped when trying to draw up a stereotype about them and alcohol.
South Asian Muslims in the UK, perhaps influenced by the ethnically ambiguous “Fast and Furious” movies, have developed a culture of speed-racing which doesn’t mesh well with British roads:
“Dunstable Road is surrounded by a large residential area on either side. Except for the main road arteries, the minor roads are all punctuated by speed humps in order to reduce questionable driving. A good number of locals, however, have cleverly by-passed this problem by owning large off-road vehicles. These vehicles can not only drive straight over the humps as if they were not there, but also serve as status symbols for their owners, especially for the older generations. The younger generations, however – mostly young men – have developed a preference for customised sports cars. These cars have lower, more rigid suspension systems that require time and delicacy to negotiate the unwelcome obstacles. The residential roads often become quite congested with a trail of cars, to the sometimes vocal fury of the 4x4 owners, clearly upset that their shrewd investments were failing to yield.“
I spend a lot of time in Middlesex County, NJ (a.k.a. Little Delhi USA) and I regularly interact with many of its denizens. The Indians that admit to drinking (always men, never women) are in the minority, and for those that don’t mind discussing it, it’s a high-price/low-volume pastime (good bourbon and scotch to impress their like-minded friends). I know of two Indians with a true drinking problem, and their kinfolk are embarrassed by them. As for their driving, they mostly don’t behave in ways that make them stand out, which of course is what you want on the road.
Exactly - I never see Asians speeding, rather the bigger danger with them is being too cautious in their driving behavior and poor spatial awareness. Latinos seem to alternate between being insanely cautious, which usually seems to be middle aged or females that I presume are illegals, to being pretty fast in sporty small cars or trucks (which is basically how whites of their economic class act too).
Blacks on the other hand I routinely see blow red lights, drive very fast without apparently considering whether a gap will open up in traffic or not, and just turn onto streets whenever they feel like it even if it means cross traffic has to brake hard.
Now, one factor that I have seen put out for higher black pedestrian deaths is lack of lighting in their neighborhoods, and I will say that in my city the general infrastructure in black dominated neighborhoods is pretty bad. About a mile from my house is a cluster of several huge apartment complexes and there aren't sidewalks on every street so I often see blacks walking on the shoulder of the road in a few spots where visibility (particularly at night) would be bad. Also on our busiest thoroughfare, the bus stops are not that close to actual crosswalks to get to stuff like the grocery or Target and I see people cross the road wherever they feel like, which is pretty high risk given the volume and speed of traffic on that particular street.
So, between motor vehicle accidents and homicides, how many "black lives" have been lost due to BLM? How many would be alive today had MVA and homicide rates remained at 2014 levels?
That's bad enough, but no doubt it's only the tip of the iceberg in comparison to all the damage that has been done by antiracism. And the damage continues.
Back decades ago when I was still reading the local paper, it seemed like whenever a whole family was killed, a drunk Hispanic-named man was arrested or killed also. I guess it'd be too difficult to track fatalities *caused* by race, and even more controversial.
The worst thing is that most blacks have long left the farm for town, so few are driving rural two-lane roads, theoretically the most dangerous. Instead, they're racing and wrecking on interstates and urban thoroughfares. I once had to mansplain to my sister's English friend about the higher risk of oncoming traffic vs. divided highways. That should have occurred to her, driving on the wrong side of the road as she does and all.
I asked Perplexity why in 2019 the black TF rate was ~5 times the Asian rate, and it told me that the reasons were lack of traffic calming structures where blacks tend to live, and less acess to insurance. Hmmm.
Au contraire, all else being equal, it would be logical that insured drivers would tend to drive slightly more recklessly than uninsured drivers and thus get into more accidents.
At a old car site where I commented daily (that iSteve linked to once about AI-imagined cars), someone brought up wild foreign taxi drivers. I told a story of my mother's adventure in Japan in '68. She was told Bushido didn't cover driving cars, so some Japanese men let loose (and that's obviously changed since). One of the main contributors called her story borderline racist and offensive, which did NOT go down well with me. After they deleted my "F U," I demanded an apology or retraction, and they deleted the whole sequence. They then deleted my perfectly polite, literal Sayonara, too. I like to think that I've been missed by someone, but I haven't been back to check. Yes, I'm bitter, as I enjoyed the site.
I've observed terrible driving by immigrants, refugees, and illegal immigrants for decades, European and African-origin immigrants excluded (I worked in refugee services decades ago). People bring their driving standards with them (I'd trust a Nigerian driver any day). So it's no surprise that allowing millions of illegals in from Asia, Mexico, Central, and South America, where driving culture is lawless and macho culture, has created pockets of fatilities in such immigrant-dense areas as Atlanta.
Subjectively, I think the massive rise in traffic deaths among black Americans arises not just from the lawlessness of the Floyd era. The other factors include extraordinary pressure on police by the DOJ to not enforce laws; black Americans in conflict with Hispanics learning from them to weaponize cars, and terrorist car attacks inspiring dolt youths. But, by far, the biggest factor is the DOJ negotiating compliance contracts with liberal/elected Chiefs of Police and DAs, "contracts" that hobble any traffic control.
The Chinese don't drink that much, although the Koreans reminded P.J. O'Rourke of his Northern Irish kin: work hard and drink hard. Do South Asians drink much? I don't think so, but I'm stumped when trying to draw up a stereotype about them and alcohol.
South Asian Muslims in the UK, perhaps influenced by the ethnically ambiguous “Fast and Furious” movies, have developed a culture of speed-racing which doesn’t mesh well with British roads:
“Dunstable Road is surrounded by a large residential area on either side. Except for the main road arteries, the minor roads are all punctuated by speed humps in order to reduce questionable driving. A good number of locals, however, have cleverly by-passed this problem by owning large off-road vehicles. These vehicles can not only drive straight over the humps as if they were not there, but also serve as status symbols for their owners, especially for the older generations. The younger generations, however – mostly young men – have developed a preference for customised sports cars. These cars have lower, more rigid suspension systems that require time and delicacy to negotiate the unwelcome obstacles. The residential roads often become quite congested with a trail of cars, to the sometimes vocal fury of the 4x4 owners, clearly upset that their shrewd investments were failing to yield.“
I spend a lot of time in Middlesex County, NJ (a.k.a. Little Delhi USA) and I regularly interact with many of its denizens. The Indians that admit to drinking (always men, never women) are in the minority, and for those that don’t mind discussing it, it’s a high-price/low-volume pastime (good bourbon and scotch to impress their like-minded friends). I know of two Indians with a true drinking problem, and their kinfolk are embarrassed by them. As for their driving, they mostly don’t behave in ways that make them stand out, which of course is what you want on the road.
Exactly - I never see Asians speeding, rather the bigger danger with them is being too cautious in their driving behavior and poor spatial awareness. Latinos seem to alternate between being insanely cautious, which usually seems to be middle aged or females that I presume are illegals, to being pretty fast in sporty small cars or trucks (which is basically how whites of their economic class act too).
Blacks on the other hand I routinely see blow red lights, drive very fast without apparently considering whether a gap will open up in traffic or not, and just turn onto streets whenever they feel like it even if it means cross traffic has to brake hard.
Now, one factor that I have seen put out for higher black pedestrian deaths is lack of lighting in their neighborhoods, and I will say that in my city the general infrastructure in black dominated neighborhoods is pretty bad. About a mile from my house is a cluster of several huge apartment complexes and there aren't sidewalks on every street so I often see blacks walking on the shoulder of the road in a few spots where visibility (particularly at night) would be bad. Also on our busiest thoroughfare, the bus stops are not that close to actual crosswalks to get to stuff like the grocery or Target and I see people cross the road wherever they feel like, which is pretty high risk given the volume and speed of traffic on that particular street.
“Strikingly more worse” — You can rid of “more.”
Thanks, I'll fix it.
So, between motor vehicle accidents and homicides, how many "black lives" have been lost due to BLM? How many would be alive today had MVA and homicide rates remained at 2014 levels?
50,000? More?
About 21,000 more blacks died in 2020-2024 in homicides and car crashes than if the number of blacks dying that way had stayed at the 2019 rates.
Heckuva job, BLMie!
That's bad enough, but no doubt it's only the tip of the iceberg in comparison to all the damage that has been done by antiracism. And the damage continues.
Social Darwinism in action.
Back decades ago when I was still reading the local paper, it seemed like whenever a whole family was killed, a drunk Hispanic-named man was arrested or killed also. I guess it'd be too difficult to track fatalities *caused* by race, and even more controversial.
The worst thing is that most blacks have long left the farm for town, so few are driving rural two-lane roads, theoretically the most dangerous. Instead, they're racing and wrecking on interstates and urban thoroughfares. I once had to mansplain to my sister's English friend about the higher risk of oncoming traffic vs. divided highways. That should have occurred to her, driving on the wrong side of the road as she does and all.
I asked Perplexity why in 2019 the black TF rate was ~5 times the Asian rate, and it told me that the reasons were lack of traffic calming structures where blacks tend to live, and less acess to insurance. Hmmm.
Au contraire, all else being equal, it would be logical that insured drivers would tend to drive slightly more recklessly than uninsured drivers and thus get into more accidents.
At a old car site where I commented daily (that iSteve linked to once about AI-imagined cars), someone brought up wild foreign taxi drivers. I told a story of my mother's adventure in Japan in '68. She was told Bushido didn't cover driving cars, so some Japanese men let loose (and that's obviously changed since). One of the main contributors called her story borderline racist and offensive, which did NOT go down well with me. After they deleted my "F U," I demanded an apology or retraction, and they deleted the whole sequence. They then deleted my perfectly polite, literal Sayonara, too. I like to think that I've been missed by someone, but I haven't been back to check. Yes, I'm bitter, as I enjoyed the site.
A question: between murders and car accidents what is the total bodycount?
He added the answer in reply to air dog above.
I've observed terrible driving by immigrants, refugees, and illegal immigrants for decades, European and African-origin immigrants excluded (I worked in refugee services decades ago). People bring their driving standards with them (I'd trust a Nigerian driver any day). So it's no surprise that allowing millions of illegals in from Asia, Mexico, Central, and South America, where driving culture is lawless and macho culture, has created pockets of fatilities in such immigrant-dense areas as Atlanta.
Subjectively, I think the massive rise in traffic deaths among black Americans arises not just from the lawlessness of the Floyd era. The other factors include extraordinary pressure on police by the DOJ to not enforce laws; black Americans in conflict with Hispanics learning from them to weaponize cars, and terrorist car attacks inspiring dolt youths. But, by far, the biggest factor is the DOJ negotiating compliance contracts with liberal/elected Chiefs of Police and DAs, "contracts" that hobble any traffic control.
Most Hispanics are poorly acclimated alcohol. Young Hispanics tend to be a menace on the highways.