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dr. b's avatar

Opportunistic shape shifter. Race profiteer. The artist formally known as “Liar”.

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Guest007's avatar

When the other party has Trump as its leader, then it should be clear that no one cares about lying.

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Miles Taverner's avatar

completely nothing, he's half-black half-Asian as he ticked. How about we debate his housing plan or how to solve the unaffordability of New York in 2025? Endless race baiting and race talk is exhausting, always ignoring the actual problems and the actual reasons why radicals like Mamdani are gaining popularity

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Pincher Martin's avatar

Nothing? Oh, it's definitely something. And, no, most of us don't buy into your "root causes for political radicalism" claptrap. Some people just like to see the world burn.

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Miles Taverner's avatar

so New Yorkers are voting for their own city to get even worse on purpose? Certainly a theory. If you want to see the world burn, continuing to vote for the globalist neoliberals like Cuomo is certainly your best bet considering there's constantly almost a World War III level spark event threat on 3 continents

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Pincher Martin's avatar

Yes, they are. Often because, like Momdani, they don't know any better.

I'm currently reading a history on anarchism in the U.S. Every one of these idiots thinks they got it figured out. And then when the fire they deliberately set burns their own face, they are as surprised as anyone.

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Miles Taverner's avatar

I'm not saying things won't get worse under Mamdani it's certainly possible, but what I am saying is that the frustrations obviously come from somewhere. If people weren't frustrated, they would just vote for the status quo, as happens everywhere where things are going well. You don't vote out politicians you like. I was recently in the United States, and there are some homeless loonies wearing Anarchist shirts walking about, but not enough to spin an election in New York

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Pincher Martin's avatar

Frustration is usually internal and radical political ideology typically has nothing to do with objective circumstances.

Why were Jewish and Italian immigrants to the U.S. so inclined to socialism, communism and anarchism in the early 20th centuries? Was life in the U.S. so bad? Of course not. It was the richest place on earth and had among the highest - if not _the_ highest - per capita income.

Those immigrants brought their ideologies with them. You think Momdani came here from Africa in 1998 and in his short life here figured out that he needs to take over the means of production for us Americans to prosper?

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Tina Trent's avatar

We Italians abandoned that quickly, though we were more oppressed. The Jewish immigrants turned it into a self-serving industry. Not the majority of them by any means. Just the wealthiest and loudest.

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Miles Taverner's avatar

well life for those immigrants was pretty awful - slums, discrimination etc. How do you explain New Yorkers born in New York voting for Mamdani then? Communist training camps must be in every foreign country also. It’s sort of astounding to me how you’re just brushing all of material reality and experiences in New York for New Yorkers under the rug lol

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Tina Trent's avatar

And you think more of this will help?

America is overwhelmingly a stable, frugal, amicable country. Get the heck out of millionaire commie NYC next time.

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Miles Taverner's avatar

more of what? nowhere have i supported anything Mamdani’s going to do, its entirely possible every single thing gets worse, thats not what ive been talking about

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Derek Leaberry's avatar

Masterminds!

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Derek Leaberry's avatar

A lot of spoiled young men and women like to virtue-signal.

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dr. b's avatar

First, you are incorrect. He is not half black. He is zero percent black. Secondly, if you don’t like race baiting, liars, and ignoring actual problems to focus on red herrings, you should be at the front of the line condemning this race baiting liar for his falseness, duplicity and divisiveness.

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Miles Taverner's avatar

he's born in East Africa and his father is East African? I do condemn Mamdani for the annoying diversity stuff and a lot of his policies, but putting attention on this instead of actual issues makes us look petty and childish

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Frau Katze's avatar

Here’s a picture of his mother,

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira_Nair

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Tina Trent's avatar

The brown and ajewish people left there need some humility. The only war left there is the class war. They need to flee.

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Frau Katze's avatar

It wasn’t like that under Idi Amin. Persecution was fierce.

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Tina Trent's avatar

True. You're right.

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SJ's avatar

Wow, I remember reading about “Monsoon Wedding” in Empire Magazine back around the year 2000 as the great hope of Indian cinema (somewhat like China’s later “Hero”). Turns out Indians didn’t keep making movies that appealed to western sensibilities.

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Erik's avatar

Everyone knows that "African American" doesn't mean you were born in Africa. It means you are black. That's what that checkbox is for--solely so they know they should give you extra admission points for being black. The only reason "African" is there is because Jesse Jackson wrote an op-ed in the NYT in the 1980s and white people have been confused ever since about which one to use.

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Tina Trent's avatar

Especially as the category was "race.". Not country of origin; not parents' country of origin: race.

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Derek Leaberry's avatar

Mamdani is as African as Elon Musk. He is a brother.

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MamaBear's avatar

Exactly. The same people who say race doesn’t exist and Mamdani is black because he was born in Uganda hated Rachel Dolezeal as a race pretender and would lambast Musk if he applied to college as African. These people just hate whites.

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Miles Taverner's avatar

i mean race is a thing in the same way eye colour is a thing, and i quite like white people i oppose mass immigration and the diversity push by the elites

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Steve Sailer's avatar

Mandami has no black ancestry.

His dad looks kind of like FDR:

https://x.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1940920722052047006

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Miles Taverner's avatar

you know that for sure? I mean its possible in Uganda that his father is entirely of Indian descent, but you can't tell his ancestry based off a photo

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dr. b's avatar

Just admit you’re wrong. His father is Indian. In looks, in self identification and in fact. So is his mother.

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MamaBear's avatar

Dad looks Pakistani and so more Aryan. His mother is Hindu. Wonder what caste she is.

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Miles Taverner's avatar

if his father has actually said that (i'd like to see it), then i'm fine to be corrected. My point is that focusing on this instead of his policies doesn't help

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dr. b's avatar

When you know from the get go he’s a hard core false self and a liar, why bother noting that his “policies” are also horseshit? Nothing about this phony is to believed, much less taken seriously.

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Miles Taverner's avatar

well every politician we like also lies, especially at 16 lol

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Miles Taverner's avatar

not taking him or his ideas seriously is catastrophic, you can’t just plug your ears and la la la real anger and frustration. Shouting “socialist!” won’t work either for anyone under 40 - the more Republicans talk about foreign policy whilst not discussing kitchen table issues, the more likely an AOC presidency in 2029 is. Don’t like it? Seriously engage with them

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Tina Trent's avatar

We know what they are.

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Derek Leaberry's avatar

Indians made up the small merchant class in Uganda until Idi Amin Dada kicked them out in the early 70s.

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Tina Trent's avatar

According to South African laws he is white.

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barnabus's avatar

In Apartheid time, he would be classified as Indian/Asian. They changed classifications post-Apartheid.

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Frau Katze's avatar

He’s not black at all, look at his photo.

Your point is echoed by numerous NYT commenters, however.

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Almost Missouri's avatar

What offends me is that he claimed to be "American" in 2009.

In fact it offends me that he claims to be American now.

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Frau Katze's avatar

He’s a naturalized citizen. We have a whole slew of these Ugandan Indians in Canada, too.

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Almost Missouri's avatar

He wasn't a citizen in 2009 when he claimed to be African AMERICAN.

And "naturalized citizen" = not really American, anyway.

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Steve Lloyd's avatar

As good a definition as I've seen

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Frau Katze's avatar

I’m not an American as you know, but if he had settled in Canada I would consider him a Canadian.

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Almost Missouri's avatar

Well, there's your problem right there

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Tina Trent's avatar

Why?

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Frau Katze's avatar

If he was a naturalized Canadian then that’s the law of the land.

I wouldn’t be happy. Too many Muslims already.

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Hebrew National's avatar

Watch it, you're verging on birtherism there.

This guy scares me because he reminds me a lot of Obama. If NYC doesn't totally combust under his leadership, look for a Mamdani-for-President movement to form.

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Frau Katze's avatar

He wasn’t born in the US, he can’t be president. Bullet dodged.

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Dave Bowman's avatar

Word

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ScarletNumber's avatar

He is going to skate because he was born in Africa, so he is as black as Freddie Mercury.

> actress Mindy Kaling’s brother

The family name is Chokalingam; their real-life parents appeared in The Office season 3 episode Diwali playing Kelly's parents. Her mother was an obgyn who died 13½ years ago.

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Derek Leaberry's avatar

Mercury's family came from the Indian merchants in Zanzibar. An Arab-Indian elite ran Zanzibar until 1964. Smart Indians left in 1964, including the Mercury family.

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Barnard's avatar

I would assume this is going to be a huge negative with black voters but I would guess most them were already planning on voting for Adams anyway. Are white liberals good with this? Going to guess that they are.

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Derek Leaberry's avatar

Adams will win at least 80 % of the black vote in New York City.

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Tina Trent's avatar

At this point it seems like the most benign course for treating this cancer.

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Derek Leaberry's avatar

I just received information that Cuomo is going to run as an independent.

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SomeReader's avatar

He looks neither black nor Indian. He's actually very light-skinned, and I thought at first he was Iranian, especially given an Iranian-sounding last name (Mamdani). Obviously he's not black, but even the Indian identity somehow isn't a good fit for him. The Indians I know don't look like that. He's more of a MENA type.

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MamaBear's avatar

He could also be Iberian. He’s quite ethnically ambiguous, like Thomas Chatterton Williams.

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Steve Sailer's avatar

If I saw Mamdani walking around Wall Street in his suit and tie, I'd guess he's a Wall Street guy who is maybe half Italian, a quarter Jewish, and a quarter Irish.

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SomeReader's avatar

Armenian would be a better guess, especially for you LA guys. But, if not that, perhaps Iranian.

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MamaBear's avatar

As my Armenian friend says, Armenians are too brown to be white and too white to be brown.

He could be an Ara Halijian. Or a Ahmad Al-Bakr or even Juan Valdez.

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Steve Lloyd's avatar

I hear Cliff Curtis is playing him in the soon to be released biopic

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Derek Leaberry's avatar

Maybe that's why the Kardashians have a fondness for black basketball players.

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Frau Katze's avatar

That’s so weird.

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TonyZa's avatar

Armenians are white. More like albanian white than norwegian white but still white. The biological type for whites are people from the Caucasus like Georgians and Armenians. Hence the name caucasian for whites.

Plus they are a indo-european, christian nation. Armenians are not scoring many diversity points.

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Frau Katze's avatar

Indians and Iranians are also Indo-European by language. Not southern India though.

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MamaBear's avatar

Armenians aren’t white the same way other Caucasus and MENA groups aren’t white. I’d say they are white adjacent as are many West Asian groups but really just their own group.

I’ve always viewed Europeans as white and that stops at Ukraine, Bulgaria and Greece. Everything to the West is European and white. Armenians are Christian and have Indo-European ancestry but those aren’t requirements for race based classifications. Albanians are paleo-Balkan and being Muslim is irrelevant. The same way Bosnians are Slavic and therefore European and white.

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TonyZa's avatar

You are reducing the definition of whites to europeans which is pretty much what the left does now, but the traditional definitions of whites include MENA, Caucasus and often India. That definition has to do with the caucasoid facial features that distinguish these peoples from other races.

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Steve Lloyd's avatar

Much better guess. We're bombarded today with "near-whites" on our screens which stretches our recognition window but he definitely wouldn't pass the Calais test. As a quiet aside to Steve-Irish and Italians are not people I would goad unnecessarily.

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SJ's avatar

He looks a bit like like a less muscular version of ex-Marine comic actor Rob Riggle:

https://www.justjared.com/2024/11/10/celebrities-who-served-in-the-military-in-honor-of-veterans-day-2024/3/

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MamaBear's avatar

Definite resemblance. Too funny.

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Hebrew National's avatar

Sorta, but ¼ Jewish would imply one of his grandparents married outside our faith, which was still pretty rare in that generation. The way to bet would be ½ Jewish, ¼ Irish, ¼ Italian.

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Erik's avatar

Less common surely, but not vanishingly rare. I have a friend from Washington State who is a generation after Mamdani and is 1/8 Jewish.

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Hebrew National's avatar

OK but as Steve would say, that's the exception that proves the rule.

I know that's a strange thing to say but to his credit Steve once wrote several hundred words seriously examining if and how "the exception that proves the rule" makes any sense!

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Erik's avatar

I did a web deep dive on the phrase years ago and the best explanation I found said it came from a principle of law. The stated exceptions imply that everything else is legal. If the sign says "no parking between 6 and 8 AM" It means that it's legal to park any other time

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Michael Watts's avatar

It's not exactly a mysterious concept. Cecil Adams covered it: https://www.straightdope.com/21341901/what-s-the-meaning-of-the-expression-that-s-the-exception-that-proves-the-rule

> Cicero was defending one Bilbo.

> Bilbo was a non-Roman who was accused of having been illegally granted Roman citizenship. The prosecutor argued that treaties with some non-Roman peoples explicitly prohibited them from becoming Roman citizens. The treaty with Bilbo’s homeboys had no such clause, but the prosecutor suggested one should be inferred.

> Nonsense, said Cicero. “Quod si exceptio facit ne liceat, ubi non sit exceptum …” Oops, I keep forgetting how rusty folks are on subjunctives. Cicero said, if you prohibit something in certain cases, you imply that the rest of the time it’s permitted.

It isn't possible for an exception to exist without there being a rule that it grants an exemption from.

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SJ's avatar

Ex-Prime Minister Rishi Sunak’s parents emigrated from East Africa, as did those of the former Tory Home Secretaries Priti Patel and Suella Braverman. Grandchildren of South Asian emigré clerks seem to be good at getting themselves into power in their new countries.

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Frau Katze's avatar

We have lots of them in Canada too.

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Steve Lloyd's avatar

His Excellency, President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Idi Amin Dada, VC, DSO, MC, Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas and Conqueror of the British Empire in Africa in General and Uganda in Particular, is down there somewhere having the last laugh

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Frau Katze's avatar

He was quite something all right!

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Derek Leaberry's avatar

You've got to hand it to the Indians. They are thriving businessmen. Convenience stores, liquor stores and Dunkin' Donuts.

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Derek Leaberry's avatar

Eric Blair(aka George Orwell) was born in India to a Anglo-Indian mother from Burma. She had a French father. Orwell's great-grandfather owned two Jamaican plantations with slaves. So what does that make Orwell? Burmese? Indian? French? Jamaican? English?

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Frau Katze's avatar

His mother was part Indian?

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Ralph L's avatar

No, her father was French, her mother English, she was born in England but grew up in Burma. Anglo-Indian is like Anglo-Irish: English people resident in another country.

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Frau Katze's avatar

That’s what I thought.

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Derek Leaberry's avatar

Exactly. She had no Hindu blood.

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Andy P's avatar

When I saw this my mind immediately went back to the below link regarding a poly market bettor who scored big by identifying Mamdani as displaying sociopathic traits.

Becoming rich by becoming a "noticer" seems to be easier this day and age!

https://open.substack.com/pub/polymarket/p/he-made-300k-betting-on-a-narcissistic?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=i2m8

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Dorkwad's avatar

How come these sociopath politician guys don't have ex-girlfriends coming out of the woodwork? You'd think that's an easy thing, have her on your podcast talking about how he "gaslit" her or something.

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Almost Missouri's avatar

Because homo?

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SomeReader's avatar

I was surprised to learn some time ago that there's a substantial Indian population in Africa. In fact, in South Africa "Indian" is one of the main racial categories. Africa experienced Indian immigration in some ways similar to how North America experienced European immigration.

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Perry Arcone's avatar

If you haven’t read it already, you might enjoy the 1979 novel, A Bend in the River, by the Nobel Prize winning novelist, V. S. Naipaul. The main character, an Indian from the east coast of Africa, leaves home to settle in the interior.

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Hebrew National's avatar

Outstanding book chock-full of iStevey content!

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Dorkwad's avatar

For a while the Indian Gupta brothers essentially owned the South African government via their deep ties with president Jacob Zuma.

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Rob Mitchell's avatar

The fact that his father was on the Columbia faculty may have been his undoing, at least as far as his checking the "African American" box on the Columbia application. I'm reminded of Long John Baldry's "Don't Try to Lay No Boogie Woogie on the King of Rock'n Roll."

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Steve Sailer's avatar

Especially because his Columbia professor dad looks like a cross between Barney Frank and Jack Lemmon.

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Rob Mitchell's avatar

Not the kind of face that Idi Amin would recognize as true Ugandan.

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Franco Booth's avatar

An evil man will burn his own country to the ground just to rule over the ashes…

What are the chances that the laptop warriors will observe the damages of communism and maybe grow up?

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kaganovitch's avatar

Ach, it just hasn't been tried hard enough.

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Kathleen Lowrey's avatar

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66890945.amp

South Asian immigrant mum filled out applications for daughters as Inuit

Daughters old enough to know and did not object

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Frau Katze's avatar

Canada takes that very seriously. Don’t try it. Buffy Sainte-Marie was exposed by CBC as a fake Indian whose family background is Italian.

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Almost Missouri's avatar

"Takes seriously" as in social shaming or "takes seriously" as in prosecution?

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Frau Katze's avatar

Social shaming. Trudeau went bonkers over natives but he didn’t get that far before being tossed out of office.

It stopped at the CBC program showing the proof (including a birth certificate and an interview with a sibling) that her native claim was not true.

CBC does it to please activist natives. They become like blacks in the US: sacred.

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Steve Lloyd's avatar

Public Service Announcement: Makes pretty miserable reading but apparently a deal was done and the mother plead guilty so the daughters could be unknowing of the fraud in which they participated. Given they started their own business as sellers of native tat, their lack of knowledge seems unlikely. Anyway, 3 years in the slammer for mum, and she has to pay back the $160K, which got both the sisters degrees. She's paid $130K back so far. Notably she has several millions in real estate-3 houses at least and is a serial fraudster working at a charity/NGO since the 00s from which she stole @$800K. No info on how they came to be where they were in the first place

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Guest007's avatar

The Washington Post ran an op-ed 20 years ago written by a member of the admissions committee at the US Naval Academy. One of the interesting points was seeing students from private college prep high schools with non-Hispanic last names claiming to be Hispanic for affirmative action purposes.

Also, the University of Michigan was one of the first universities to try to break out North Africans and Middle Eastern from African-American due to the large number of Egyptians and others claiming to be African-American to get the benefits of affirmative action.

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michael mitchell's avatar

I refer to him as Madmani.

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Frau Katze's avatar

The NYT commenters are furious. Sample (heavily liked):

“Please, please do not do hit pieces on this man who is one of the few sources of hope that most of us have in this country. Just stop.”

In other words if he was a Republican they’d be all over the story. It would be Rachel Dolezal level anger.

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Dorkwad's avatar

"It's ok if we do it", basically.

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Frau Katze's avatar

Yes. Elizabeth Warren paid no price for claiming she was part (native) Indian.

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Derek Leaberry's avatar

Her corpse would defeat a Republican in Massachusetts.

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