I must be one of the few people in the world who has watched both of the siblings' movies for over three decades and yet did not realize until yesterday, soon after Michael Madsen's death was announced, that the two were related. I mean they only share the same not-terribly-common last name.
In my defense, they don't look related. Even though I saw Virginia in David Lynch's DUNE, I I first distinctly remember her sex-pot character in the neo-noir movie she did with Don Johnson called THE HOT SPOT. The first movie I saw her recently-deceased brother in was his memorable role in THE NATURAL.
I agree the Madsens don't look related. I never would have suspected that they were siblings by looking at those photos. Now, with some effort, I can see similarities in facial structure.
I swore off watching any kind of horror movie after seeing VM in "Candyman." In my book that is one of the most plausibly horrible conjectures of supernatural terror I've ever seen. After "Candyman" no mas horror genre for me.
Virginia Madsen is still one of my fave public-figure females...without the horror, please.
Shirley Maclaine had a three-year affair with Robert Mitchum in the mid-60s. Mitchum was one of the toughest men in Hollywood who had been a fifteen-year old hobo. In the 60s, Mitchum conveniently situated his family in Trappe, MD on a farm on the Chesapeake Bay and traveled to a lot of exotic sites for his films. That allowed him the freedom to roam romantically. Mitchum was well-known to have romantic relations with his female co-stars. Except for Deborah Kerr. Maybe that's why he respected her more than the other actresses.
I watched an hour-long interview Robert Mitchum did with Dick Cavett. At one point in their talk RM said he went in late and sat in back to watch the first run of a movie he'd just made early in his career. In his telling of it, Mitchum said when his face first appeared on the screen, a woman in the row right in front of him said, "That is the most depraved-looking living human face I have ever seen in my life." The audience laffed. Cavett pulled a face. Mitchum stayed poker-faced behind his tinted shades, as he drew deeply on his cigarette. I woulda like to have seen a good story told on film with Peter O'Toole and Robert Mitchum in their prime. I wonder if Mitchum would've had the guts to face O'Toole's acting chops.
Both Charles Bronson and Robert Ryan despised Robert Mitchum. But Bronson was notoriously testy and fickle.
A story I like of Mitchum's was his going to Vietnam on a USO tour. He went to an obscure base in the mountains and walked to the local base bar. He asked the soldier who ran the bar how much alcohol was in the bar. The soldier answered about $300 worth. Mitchum pulled out three Ben Franklins and gave it to the soldier. "The drinks are on me tonight."
Reece and Lauren James are both world class soccer players for Chelsea and England. Lauren has an argument for top 5, Reece would be the #1 right back if he could stay fit.
By the way, Eva Marie Saint turns 101 today, July 4. If my math is right, she has been alive for 40 % of America's existence. A pretty good run. Her best film was arguably her first film, "On the Waterfront."
I'm a big fan of her performance in North by Northwest... You remind me that my father's paternal grandfather was born on the 4th of July in 1860. If only he had survived he'd be 165 today. Gone too soon!
She was very good in "North by Northwest." Although I don't think Eva Marie Saint was particularly religious, she put her family before her career. She eventually had two children and became pregnant with her first shortly after "On the Waterfront." She maintained that she wanted to limit her film roles to one a year. When her agent badgered her to take a larger workload, she fired him.
How about siblings who excel in different careers? Like Paul O'Neill and Molly O'Neill? Molly was chef and food writer for the NYT - a feminine-type career, but she wasn't particularly girly. Half-siblings Jimmy Miller (music producer) and Judith Miller - she seemed feminine enough, and producing the Rolling Stones seems pretty darn Alpha. I can't think of any other examples.
Eric and Julia Roberts are siblings who could be rugged prince and princess. For a sports example you've got NBA veteran Steven Adams (6'11") and Dame Valerie (6'4") double Olympic and 4X world championship gold shot putter and NZ's favourite giantess.
Right. While it's clear that brothers and sisters tend to be correlated in size, are they correlated in masculinity?
For example, Michelle Obama is huge like her power forward brother Craig Robinson is, she has always struck me as a girly girl interested in food and gardening, peeved by people telling her she should play basketball because she could really bash other girls around underneath the boards. Hence, while Barack is tall enough for her, his East African slenderness has always pissed her off. She'd be happier if her husband, despite all his masculine accomplishments, such as two terms as President of the United States, had 30 pounds more muscle mass.
The whole time I was reading this I was thinking about Michelle Obama (nee Robinson) and her football playing brother. He is a stereotypical, very masculine pro footballer while she is one of the most masculinized celebrity females to date.
My bad for trusting my memory rather than the infallable Google. I seem to have had Craig Robinson confused with someone else. Pro basketballer and coach but the rest of my comment stands.
I can't blame Michael Madsen for not watching films where his sister does nude scenes. If my sister had been an actress, I wouldn't watch her do a nude scene either. That's disgusting.
I had always understood Mountbatten to have been a pederast. That might just have been an Irish Republican talking point, but I’ve seen it in more mainstream sources too.
Princess Leia was (or is or will be) the twin sister of Luke Skywalker, definitely not the most masculine dude. Although Princess Leia (in another universe) was pretty dangerous in Shampoo.
Steve, Michael Jackson was not Michael Jordan’s sister. How could that be. Michael Jackson was a male! Also, why would the parents name both of their boys Michael?? It just doesn’t make sense on a number of levels.
I did not know that Shirley Maclaine 1) is Warren Beaty’s brother 2) Had an affair with Lord Mountbatten
You’re telling me this for the first time.
That's what I'm here for!
And you do a good service. I didn't even know that they were siblings.
And Warren and Ned Beatty aren't related.
I must be one of the few people in the world who has watched both of the siblings' movies for over three decades and yet did not realize until yesterday, soon after Michael Madsen's death was announced, that the two were related. I mean they only share the same not-terribly-common last name.
In my defense, they don't look related. Even though I saw Virginia in David Lynch's DUNE, I I first distinctly remember her sex-pot character in the neo-noir movie she did with Don Johnson called THE HOT SPOT. The first movie I saw her recently-deceased brother in was his memorable role in THE NATURAL.
They are both pretty good. Not great, but not at all bad. Pretty close to the Cusacks, the Gyllenhaals, and the Batemans.
I agree the Madsens don't look related. I never would have suspected that they were siblings by looking at those photos. Now, with some effort, I can see similarities in facial structure.
I swore off watching any kind of horror movie after seeing VM in "Candyman." In my book that is one of the most plausibly horrible conjectures of supernatural terror I've ever seen. After "Candyman" no mas horror genre for me.
Virginia Madsen is still one of my fave public-figure females...without the horror, please.
Shirley Maclaine had a three-year affair with Robert Mitchum in the mid-60s. Mitchum was one of the toughest men in Hollywood who had been a fifteen-year old hobo. In the 60s, Mitchum conveniently situated his family in Trappe, MD on a farm on the Chesapeake Bay and traveled to a lot of exotic sites for his films. That allowed him the freedom to roam romantically. Mitchum was well-known to have romantic relations with his female co-stars. Except for Deborah Kerr. Maybe that's why he respected her more than the other actresses.
I watched an hour-long interview Robert Mitchum did with Dick Cavett. At one point in their talk RM said he went in late and sat in back to watch the first run of a movie he'd just made early in his career. In his telling of it, Mitchum said when his face first appeared on the screen, a woman in the row right in front of him said, "That is the most depraved-looking living human face I have ever seen in my life." The audience laffed. Cavett pulled a face. Mitchum stayed poker-faced behind his tinted shades, as he drew deeply on his cigarette. I woulda like to have seen a good story told on film with Peter O'Toole and Robert Mitchum in their prime. I wonder if Mitchum would've had the guts to face O'Toole's acting chops.
Both Charles Bronson and Robert Ryan despised Robert Mitchum. But Bronson was notoriously testy and fickle.
A story I like of Mitchum's was his going to Vietnam on a USO tour. He went to an obscure base in the mountains and walked to the local base bar. He asked the soldier who ran the bar how much alcohol was in the bar. The soldier answered about $300 worth. Mitchum pulled out three Ben Franklins and gave it to the soldier. "The drinks are on me tonight."
Pat and Bay Buchanan were a brother-sister political act. Bay was a wife and mother but she had a masculine side to her when engaged in politics.
Reece and Lauren James are both world class soccer players for Chelsea and England. Lauren has an argument for top 5, Reece would be the #1 right back if he could stay fit.
By the way, Eva Marie Saint turns 101 today, July 4. If my math is right, she has been alive for 40 % of America's existence. A pretty good run. Her best film was arguably her first film, "On the Waterfront."
Awesome! I don't think I have much chance of seeing 100 myself even though my mother came close at 97.
I'm a big fan of her performance in North by Northwest... You remind me that my father's paternal grandfather was born on the 4th of July in 1860. If only he had survived he'd be 165 today. Gone too soon!
She was very good in "North by Northwest." Although I don't think Eva Marie Saint was particularly religious, she put her family before her career. She eventually had two children and became pregnant with her first shortly after "On the Waterfront." She maintained that she wanted to limit her film roles to one a year. When her agent badgered her to take a larger workload, she fired him.
How about siblings who excel in different careers? Like Paul O'Neill and Molly O'Neill? Molly was chef and food writer for the NYT - a feminine-type career, but she wasn't particularly girly. Half-siblings Jimmy Miller (music producer) and Judith Miller - she seemed feminine enough, and producing the Rolling Stones seems pretty darn Alpha. I can't think of any other examples.
Then there's actor Oliver Platt and his towering and hilarious food-critic brother Adam.
Judith Miller? I don't think her femininity is the issue here.
Eric and Julia Roberts are siblings who could be rugged prince and princess. For a sports example you've got NBA veteran Steven Adams (6'11") and Dame Valerie (6'4") double Olympic and 4X world championship gold shot putter and NZ's favourite giantess.
Right. While it's clear that brothers and sisters tend to be correlated in size, are they correlated in masculinity?
For example, Michelle Obama is huge like her power forward brother Craig Robinson is, she has always struck me as a girly girl interested in food and gardening, peeved by people telling her she should play basketball because she could really bash other girls around underneath the boards. Hence, while Barack is tall enough for her, his East African slenderness has always pissed her off. She'd be happier if her husband, despite all his masculine accomplishments, such as two terms as President of the United States, had 30 pounds more muscle mass.
Sharon Horgan, pretty Irish actress/comedienne has a lumbering 6'6" brother who played rugby for Ireland.
The whole time I was reading this I was thinking about Michelle Obama (nee Robinson) and her football playing brother. He is a stereotypical, very masculine pro footballer while she is one of the most masculinized celebrity females to date.
My bad for trusting my memory rather than the infallable Google. I seem to have had Craig Robinson confused with someone else. Pro basketballer and coach but the rest of my comment stands.
I can't blame Michael Madsen for not watching films where his sister does nude scenes. If my sister had been an actress, I wouldn't watch her do a nude scene either. That's disgusting.
Everybody had sex with Dickie Mountbatten. Or Edwina.
I had always understood Mountbatten to have been a pederast. That might just have been an Irish Republican talking point, but I’ve seen it in more mainstream sources too.
They both had a thing for brown men, but Dickie liked them young. There was a boys' orphanage in Ireland that he and other big wigs went to.
I'm very masculine. My late sister was not feminine. I would say she leaned toward masculine. Interesting subject @steve.
Princess Leia was (or is or will be) the twin sister of Luke Skywalker, definitely not the most masculine dude. Although Princess Leia (in another universe) was pretty dangerous in Shampoo.
Steve, Michael Jackson was not Michael Jordan’s sister. How could that be. Michael Jackson was a male! Also, why would the parents name both of their boys Michael?? It just doesn’t make sense on a number of levels.
I always got Michael Madsen and Tom Sizemore mixed up, despite their lack of resemblance. So much for my visual acuity.
Happy Independence Day!