California's Mexican-American population seems to be the most politically motivated and the most politically left of all Hispanics in America. Could it be that they learned it off black Californians who punch above its weight in California politics? Think of Willie Brown and Kamala Harris. Or could it be that California's Mexican-Americans learned from California's leftist Jews who also punch way above their weight. Think of Henry Waxman and the "Jewish Mafia" that were so successful two generations ago.
<i>In general, these protests/riots have so far been pretty small potatoes</i>
That's something I figured out way back when, right on the heels of Ferguson.
I had to read even very thoughtful people in our movement insinuate that everything with a 30 mile radius of Ground Zero and the Fergaza Strip was leveled to the ground.
In reality, the rioting and protesting was so localized in terms of its geography that, if I would have never paid attention to the news, I would have never known that the world's biggest news was happening in my own metropolitan area. That's how infrequently I interacted with those parts of the area.
What we have to remember, especially in light of our own sensationalist propensities, is that, while these things fill out a screen on a device, they don't fill out a city.
So I figured it is in L.A. -- I surmised that these things are happening in like 0.001% of Los Angeles city or county geography.
I agree with some of the other comments that these riots can be very small in comparison to the size of a city and certainly in relation to real grass roots protests. however I think the best comparison might be to the more organized antifa riots in 2020 with tacit approval by Democratic politicians, especially in places like Portland where federal facilities were targeted and local law enforcement seemed to stand down. The Trump Team didn’t want another Summer of Love and thus reacted promptly.
I find this rioting is small to be the equivalent of it’s not a big deal which I find morally offensive. I cannot get over the videos of makes up Hispanics throwing rocks at speeding ICE cars, burning cars and Mexican flags being waived constantly. I want troops in there to quash them. No more BLM riots even if on a smaller scale.
I could not agree more, MB. Rioting is rioting; the moral culpability of anybody who throws rocks at cars is the same whether there's three of them or three thousand.
Once again, the media strikes. The mostly peaceful rioters are getting lots of attention, the democrat politicos are getting sympathetic airtime and the truth, for much of the country, is left at the starting line. Perhaps it's time to enlist Greta to come to L.A. The entertainment value could be incredible. Where have they stored all the old water cannons?
Still can't get that picture of the 101st and Trump getting all king like on Faubus in Arkansas. Oh, that wasn't Trump, and the liberals were all for the intervention, it was the democrats that weren't. History is great for those who pay attention.
Doesn't the Waymo destroying ( I like "destroyo") incidents show just how low IQ the movement is? They're owned by Google, which worships everything lefty. The rioters just automatically assume every electric car belongs to Elon, apparently.
Interesting. Never thought Google would work with law enforcement. The way Apple refused to release the locked phones of other criminals. I'm still hanging in there with my low IQ theory, however :)
Reddit posts must be taken with salt. They are left wing conspiracy oriented. OTOH the people burning the Waymos are barely sentient, so they wouldn't be thinking about who own robot car? What their commitment to civil rights? Them turn video to cops without warrant? Ugh
Trump sending the national guard the minute a protestor scratched a federal SUV has a lot to do with it. Most rioters are fair weather fan types.
I liberal friend of mine, approximately my age, posted on social media that people should only wave American flags at these protests because optics.
I take it the mainstream is recognizing that people can't tell from small in these video clips and what they see in frame doesn't look so good. Are normies noticing the pattern that left wing mayors are fine with looting, rioting, and heroic arson, as long as Trump is in the Whitehouse?
It's not as if the rioters have anything better to do. And they wave Mexican flags because they regard America as a repugnant colonial construct. So is Mexico but never mind.
The irony of waving Mexican flags to protest illegals being deported to Mexico would probably be lost on your friend.
The fruitcakes, perennial “students” and schizophrenic homeless who participate in these things are reliable Democratic vote banks for liberal city government. The resident wealthy are paying taxes with more marginal dollars and getting a hefty SALT deduction behind a wall of high property values, and there are transfer payments from Uncle Sugar. Nobody cares if bourgeois conservatives can no longer afford to raise families there; that's actually the whole point.
Democracy isn't about ideology; it's about territory.
We are currently limited to 10000 SALT deduction. The big beautiful bill might fix that. You don't have to be rich to bump up against that limit in CA
And yes the nice old middle class voters who have theirs do appear to enjoy a system that makes it impossible for people like they were thirty years ago to start families here.
I wish you hadn't written that. I moved here for a job. got fired. New job is fully remote. No reason to remain in such an expensive place. I could sell and take my COVID era profit and be close to retirement. It would just be so much research. I'm so tired of moving and trying to recreate a social life again.
Hispanic-Americans tend to be very keen defenders of La Raza, Hispanic culture and speaking Spanish (far more than are, say, Asian-Americans). Those beliefs inevitably mesh well with desire for greater numbers.
They seem not to like to criticize each other. I can think of lots of black conservatives who criticize black tendencies but not many Latin equivalents (this may just be a side-effect of lesser extroversion and greater conflict-aversion). While no doubt there are Hispanics joking in Spanish about illegal immigrants from Guatelombia, they seem to keep the gringos out of that conversation.
The porousness of the Latino category means only those who identify as Latinos politically (i.e., supporting more immigration) get to benefit. E.g., Marco Rubio was considered a Latino but not Ted Cruz.
"But none were out tonight". On the assumption that my fellow "Steve readers" are grammar sticklers, can I point that none is singular. Hence, "None was out...". My apologies in advance.
Steve says: "I think one of the lessons of the 21st Century has been that Latinos tend to be less intractable than African Americans in terms of imposing public order. Just make it clear that the authorities are finally serious, and Hispanics fall into line eventually."
I hope this is right, for everybody's sake.
After living through nine months of rioting in Hong Kong in 2019, I can assert with some vehemence that Riots Are Bad. A couple of warning signs:
First, Hispanics may fall into line eventually, but are they really more tractable than Hong Kong Chinese? I doubt it. You'd think all of HK's youthful rioters would have felt the need to get back to studying and playing video games after a few days of acting out on the streets, but that's not what happened at all.
So how did the riots here go on for so long? Here's another bad sign in LA that's a parallel to the HK riots. That is, there's obvious evidence of outside agitation, funding, and other organization in LA, as there certainly was in HK.
Also, it's a bit eerie that LA's mayor, Karen Bass, was on the board of the National Endowment for Democracy, the CIA-front NGO that's widely credited/blamed for underwriting and orchestrating the HK riots. She quit the NED at the point she became mayor of LA. Who knows how much liaison she's doing with CHIRLA and other NGOs that are being accused of stoking and providing material support for the LA rioting?
I'm just speculating here, obviously. But I've seen at first hand how riots can go on for months on end, at varying levels of intensity, essentially wrecking day-to-day life for millions. Even if your part of town isn't being affected at first, long-running rioting has ways of spreading. This is exactly what happened in my neighborhood in HK. For months nothing much happened, but then there was an incident in which a rioter was running away from cops and fell to his death in a parking garage just up the street from the Calvinists' apartment building, and suddenly our neighborhood was a new rioting hot spot. It was a total mess for weeks. Daughter Calvinist's school, which is more centrally-located in the city, suffered from so much ongoing rioting in the surrounding streets that it had to be closed for weeks for professional decontamination to get rid of all the teargas residue.
Anyway, I think Trump is right in cracking down. Given the signs that these riots aren't all that spontaneous, there's a real possibility they could metastasize into something chronic and deeply destructive. I hope it works.
I sure hope someone is tracking down the people who have been photographed supplying riot gear to the rioters.
California's Mexican-American population seems to be the most politically motivated and the most politically left of all Hispanics in America. Could it be that they learned it off black Californians who punch above its weight in California politics? Think of Willie Brown and Kamala Harris. Or could it be that California's Mexican-Americans learned from California's leftist Jews who also punch way above their weight. Think of Henry Waxman and the "Jewish Mafia" that were so successful two generations ago.
<i>In general, these protests/riots have so far been pretty small potatoes</i>
That's something I figured out way back when, right on the heels of Ferguson.
I had to read even very thoughtful people in our movement insinuate that everything with a 30 mile radius of Ground Zero and the Fergaza Strip was leveled to the ground.
In reality, the rioting and protesting was so localized in terms of its geography that, if I would have never paid attention to the news, I would have never known that the world's biggest news was happening in my own metropolitan area. That's how infrequently I interacted with those parts of the area.
What we have to remember, especially in light of our own sensationalist propensities, is that, while these things fill out a screen on a device, they don't fill out a city.
So I figured it is in L.A. -- I surmised that these things are happening in like 0.001% of Los Angeles city or county geography.
I agree with some of the other comments that these riots can be very small in comparison to the size of a city and certainly in relation to real grass roots protests. however I think the best comparison might be to the more organized antifa riots in 2020 with tacit approval by Democratic politicians, especially in places like Portland where federal facilities were targeted and local law enforcement seemed to stand down. The Trump Team didn’t want another Summer of Love and thus reacted promptly.
I find this rioting is small to be the equivalent of it’s not a big deal which I find morally offensive. I cannot get over the videos of makes up Hispanics throwing rocks at speeding ICE cars, burning cars and Mexican flags being waived constantly. I want troops in there to quash them. No more BLM riots even if on a smaller scale.
I could not agree more, MB. Rioting is rioting; the moral culpability of anybody who throws rocks at cars is the same whether there's three of them or three thousand.
Once again, the media strikes. The mostly peaceful rioters are getting lots of attention, the democrat politicos are getting sympathetic airtime and the truth, for much of the country, is left at the starting line. Perhaps it's time to enlist Greta to come to L.A. The entertainment value could be incredible. Where have they stored all the old water cannons?
Still can't get that picture of the 101st and Trump getting all king like on Faubus in Arkansas. Oh, that wasn't Trump, and the liberals were all for the intervention, it was the democrats that weren't. History is great for those who pay attention.
Doesn't the Waymo destroying ( I like "destroyo") incidents show just how low IQ the movement is? They're owned by Google, which worships everything lefty. The rioters just automatically assume every electric car belongs to Elon, apparently.
On reddit several posters claimed the Waymos were burned because the company will turn over video to the coppers.
Interesting. Never thought Google would work with law enforcement. The way Apple refused to release the locked phones of other criminals. I'm still hanging in there with my low IQ theory, however :)
Reddit posts must be taken with salt. They are left wing conspiracy oriented. OTOH the people burning the Waymos are barely sentient, so they wouldn't be thinking about who own robot car? What their commitment to civil rights? Them turn video to cops without warrant? Ugh
Trump sending the national guard the minute a protestor scratched a federal SUV has a lot to do with it. Most rioters are fair weather fan types.
I liberal friend of mine, approximately my age, posted on social media that people should only wave American flags at these protests because optics.
I take it the mainstream is recognizing that people can't tell from small in these video clips and what they see in frame doesn't look so good. Are normies noticing the pattern that left wing mayors are fine with looting, rioting, and heroic arson, as long as Trump is in the Whitehouse?
It's not as if the rioters have anything better to do. And they wave Mexican flags because they regard America as a repugnant colonial construct. So is Mexico but never mind.
The irony of waving Mexican flags to protest illegals being deported to Mexico would probably be lost on your friend.
The fruitcakes, perennial “students” and schizophrenic homeless who participate in these things are reliable Democratic vote banks for liberal city government. The resident wealthy are paying taxes with more marginal dollars and getting a hefty SALT deduction behind a wall of high property values, and there are transfer payments from Uncle Sugar. Nobody cares if bourgeois conservatives can no longer afford to raise families there; that's actually the whole point.
Democracy isn't about ideology; it's about territory.
We are currently limited to 10000 SALT deduction. The big beautiful bill might fix that. You don't have to be rich to bump up against that limit in CA
And yes the nice old middle class voters who have theirs do appear to enjoy a system that makes it impossible for people like they were thirty years ago to start families here.
California, Illinois and New York are tax farms for state and municipal employees and welfare recipients. Amazing.
The weather is great. Aside from that, I've preferred almost every other large city I've lived in.
I could double my income if I moved, but the hours would be longer and the housing would eat up the extra earnings.
I wish you hadn't written that. I moved here for a job. got fired. New job is fully remote. No reason to remain in such an expensive place. I could sell and take my COVID era profit and be close to retirement. It would just be so much research. I'm so tired of moving and trying to recreate a social life again.
Hats off to the Brown Berets for incorporating home plate in their heraldic device.
Hispanic-Americans tend to be very keen defenders of La Raza, Hispanic culture and speaking Spanish (far more than are, say, Asian-Americans). Those beliefs inevitably mesh well with desire for greater numbers.
They seem not to like to criticize each other. I can think of lots of black conservatives who criticize black tendencies but not many Latin equivalents (this may just be a side-effect of lesser extroversion and greater conflict-aversion). While no doubt there are Hispanics joking in Spanish about illegal immigrants from Guatelombia, they seem to keep the gringos out of that conversation.
The porousness of the Latino category means only those who identify as Latinos politically (i.e., supporting more immigration) get to benefit. E.g., Marco Rubio was considered a Latino but not Ted Cruz.
"...not many African Americans participating because they are apathetic at most about the fate of Latino illegals."
But maybe not so apathetic about the opportunity to loot an Apple store.
How many African Americans really cared about BLM “protests”? I suspect much less than most people would guess.
Something tells me that once launched in large numbers Tesla Robotaxis are going to be prime targets for the Soros infantry.
The DOJ had better get in gear tracking down the sources funding the current LA riots...
"But none were out tonight". On the assumption that my fellow "Steve readers" are grammar sticklers, can I point that none is singular. Hence, "None was out...". My apologies in advance.
At least we now know who was doing the reverse donuts in the people mover. It wasn't Chili Palmer after all.
It wasn't the Cadillac of minivans.
Steve says: "I think one of the lessons of the 21st Century has been that Latinos tend to be less intractable than African Americans in terms of imposing public order. Just make it clear that the authorities are finally serious, and Hispanics fall into line eventually."
I hope this is right, for everybody's sake.
After living through nine months of rioting in Hong Kong in 2019, I can assert with some vehemence that Riots Are Bad. A couple of warning signs:
First, Hispanics may fall into line eventually, but are they really more tractable than Hong Kong Chinese? I doubt it. You'd think all of HK's youthful rioters would have felt the need to get back to studying and playing video games after a few days of acting out on the streets, but that's not what happened at all.
So how did the riots here go on for so long? Here's another bad sign in LA that's a parallel to the HK riots. That is, there's obvious evidence of outside agitation, funding, and other organization in LA, as there certainly was in HK.
Also, it's a bit eerie that LA's mayor, Karen Bass, was on the board of the National Endowment for Democracy, the CIA-front NGO that's widely credited/blamed for underwriting and orchestrating the HK riots. She quit the NED at the point she became mayor of LA. Who knows how much liaison she's doing with CHIRLA and other NGOs that are being accused of stoking and providing material support for the LA rioting?
I'm just speculating here, obviously. But I've seen at first hand how riots can go on for months on end, at varying levels of intensity, essentially wrecking day-to-day life for millions. Even if your part of town isn't being affected at first, long-running rioting has ways of spreading. This is exactly what happened in my neighborhood in HK. For months nothing much happened, but then there was an incident in which a rioter was running away from cops and fell to his death in a parking garage just up the street from the Calvinists' apartment building, and suddenly our neighborhood was a new rioting hot spot. It was a total mess for weeks. Daughter Calvinist's school, which is more centrally-located in the city, suffered from so much ongoing rioting in the surrounding streets that it had to be closed for weeks for professional decontamination to get rid of all the teargas residue.
Anyway, I think Trump is right in cracking down. Given the signs that these riots aren't all that spontaneous, there's a real possibility they could metastasize into something chronic and deeply destructive. I hope it works.