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Jeff Burton's avatar

Mennonites are pacifists so I'm not sure this is a great idea (from their perspective).

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Erik's avatar

I'm no historian, but hasn't the job of "white savior" generally required a bunch of white guys with guns in the background somewhere?

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Danfromdc's avatar

Beautiful girls. Wish they’d stayed in America.

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AMac78's avatar

Wish they'd stayed in The Americas. Or, wished they'd moved to El Norte as Conquistador-Americans?

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Tina Trent's avatar

Missionary farmers to impoverished regions need to be supported and protected by NGOs and American nonprofits, rather than having these entities spend their money burning down ICE offices and costing taxpayers billions to defend against the riots they seed.

Food seeds for Africa, not firebombing police in Seattle. Seems reasonable.

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Approved Posture's avatar

I think NGO support is exactly what they *don’t* need.

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michael mitchell's avatar

"Food seeds for Africa"

As in: "increase the population"?

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Steve Campbell's avatar

Just wondering if the Times will do a follow up article about the missing Mennonites of Angola. I wish them well but recent history in Africa does not give me confidence in their survival.

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AMac78's avatar

> wondering if the Times will do a follow up article about the missing Mennonites of Angola.

Akin to their extensive coverage of the Boer farm families who claim to have been terrorized, raped, and murdered.

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Steve Campbell's avatar

Add to that the sad story of the ruination of Rhodesia, which went from the breadbasket of Africa to the basket case of Africa in a decade.

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JR Ewing's avatar

Almost all the time, the Times and the rest of the media can be summarized rather simply:

"White People Bad"

But the thing that gets me - I know I am naive and stupid I guess, but still - is how most of the people who write that nonsense are themselves white. Very hard for me to comprehend.

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Erik's avatar

on the old Unz site comment section the official explanation was, you know, the Jews. I think it's more a variant of the hipster pose instinct. In high school if you aren't lucky enough to be one of the cool, good looking kids, a great second choice is being the guy who tells everyone that the officially cool and beautiful and admirable stuff is bullshit. If you are strong willed enough you can shape your own reality, make people question their taste. You warp reality so that your weaknesses are strengths and, if you really think about it, you are the actual cool kid.

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Towne Acres Football Trust's avatar

Basically it's that white liberals are full of people who think they are better than the "bad whites" who read blogs like this. And they are self-hating sissies as well.

See also someone on reddit-polyamory board asked why polyamory is so white. Answer:because black men and other non-white men have too much self-respect to tolerate their women sleeping with other guys.

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Craig in Maine's avatar

Smart people still make foolish decisions when diamonds are involved. Finding them is harder than one might think.

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Erik's avatar

What, diamonds? I was under the impression that diamonds were so plentiful that a strict cartel and brilliant ad campaign were required in order to make them expensive.

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Craig in Maine's avatar

There was some truth to that decades ago, although “plentiful” did not mean they were inexpensive to find and mine.

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kaganovitch's avatar

Nah, he means 'smart people'.

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John's avatar

Funny, I was thinking of going to Angola just last month. It and East Timor are the only lusophone countries I have not yet visited. I could have flown via Portugal or Brazil. There were however uncertainties about documentation – travel-dot-state-dot-gov asserted I needed only my passport, but the Angolan embassy’s website promised many elaborate formalities - so I said the hell with it and just went to Mexico. Which was very nice – no cassava! - but of course I feel a twinge at missing my proposed Luanda Weekend.

Which is what the trip would have been. Just comparing Luanda to Maputo – the second most bizarrely depopulated city I have ever seen (Cairo, Illinois is #1) - would be a good way to spend a few days. Then come right home! It looks impractical to get out of the capital. It may be impossible to travel overland to the Cabinda exclave, which is where such wealth as Angola has ever generated comes from. I bet where the Mennonites are is pretty nice, though. Does the NYT article mention Paraguay? If the Mennonites who settled there crowded any locals out, it wasn’t evident to me. I understand they thrive in isolation and cause the host country no trouble. Angola surely has nothing to worry about.

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Derek Leaberry's avatar

As Oprah Winfrey traced her roots to Angola, perhaps she can be encouraged to buy Angolan land and turn it into a large collective farm for her brothers and sisters. She could set up a settlement like Robert Owen's New Harmony in early 19th Century Indiana.

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42itous's avatar

This isn't exactly agribusiness. Mennonites are good enough in a 19th century fashion, but nobody freely chooses to cultivate farms without machinery. And even then, look at the price of a bushel of grain. US hobby farms have their advantages. With automation, manual farming pays less than ever.

Interesting combination...Diamond mining business, mennonites, and African native subsistence farming. I don't envision it working out well for everyone.

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Derek Leaberry's avatar

Mennonites in my rural West Virginia county are fine businessmen. They own one of the biggest plumbing companies and the largest bakery. They also build and sell outdoor furniture.

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FPD72's avatar

While Mennonites and Amish are both Anabaptist groups, they are not the same and hold some different beliefs and practices. For example, most Mennonite groups own cars and use telephones.

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Derek Leaberry's avatar

Very true. Mennonites are much more familiar with the modern world. The women wear pastel-colored dresses where the Amish of both sexes are in black. Mennonite women often shop at the local Food Lion. I believe that the 15-20 percent of Amish who leave their church move on to the Mennonites who are less rigid.

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AMac78's avatar

> nobody freely chooses to cultivate farms without machinery.

I asked ChatGPT about Mennonites' acceptance of various technologies. Unsurprising answer: it varies.

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Traditional Mexican Mennonite Colonies (e.g., in Chihuahua)

* Mennonite farmers in Mexico are known for large-scale, intensive commercial agriculture.

* Machinery: Most communities there have accepted internal combustion machinery, use tractors and combines.

* Electricity: Often off the grid, but gas or diesel generators and solar power are used.

* Fertilizers/Pesticides: Widely used.

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42itous's avatar

I don't keep up with these groups. I'm not really surprised they adopted the use of machines. I see farming as an inherently difficult business. Capital intensive production of commodities. Any disadvantages (from technological reluctance) and any lack of access to capital, would make it very difficult. Anywhere in the world, they still have to compete with $5 wheat. The natives don't sound that friendly. If you are a legacy US farmer, and you own the land unencumbered and have machines....it's a C-10 lifestyle sort of thing...hell yes. https://c10clubapparel.com/?srsltid=AfmBOoqEICytaOrgEp6OwWKce_1AvTISzLqpC5tA6lm_4t5_ZwQVi8MJ .

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Approved Posture's avatar

Where I live (along way from SSA) farmers tend to be the most stereotypically native people imaginable and boast about how many generations they’ve been on the land.

It makes productivity a challenge (small holdings and little access to capital) but there is zero political dispute over who has the right to be there and never will be.

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Frau Katze's avatar

Why do they want to move to Angola? Hard to imagine a worse place.

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Erik's avatar

That's what I was wondering. It can't be that it's the cheapest/best land available to them.

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air dog's avatar

Diversity is Angola's strength.

It's a shame to see 60 white Mennonites coming in and spoiling the diversity for everyone.

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Bill Price's avatar

"It appears that the British population of the north-central U.S. benefited from large numbers of industrious German farmers immigrating."

And the Germans benefited from us. They jumped the gun and settled in unpacified Indian country, then we had to pull their chestnuts out of the fire.

Interestingly, there was a lot of intermarriage between Germans and Indians in the upper Midwest. A former boss of mine, a native Minnesotan, was descended from such people.

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Max Avar's avatar

OT, but, Steve, were you aware that Nick Fuentes has been repeatedly mentioning (defaming) you at length on his show recently?

What’s hilarious is that his primary attack is to quote you writing “The gentiles will come after the Jews with pitchforks if they learn about the IQ gap.” Of course, any long time iSteve reader knows that this is a caricature of the views of Jewish intellectuals that Steve is *criticizing*…but Nick Fuentes fans don’t read anything more sophisticated than Minecraft Discord server messages.

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Boulevardier's avatar

Western aid to Africa has been a massive mistake. We turned a continent of a few hundred million largely helpless people into a continent of 1.5 billion largely helpless people - and growing.

Fans of sci fi are familiar with the concept of The Great Filter, the idea that although life is probably abundant in the universe there is some barrier that prevents even relatively advanced civilizations from developing to the point that they have a signature that is detectable to the rest of the galaxy or universe or interstellar travel, so all we have right now is basically cosmic silence. War, disease, climate change, etc. and other calamities familiar to our age are often put forth as the great filter.

All of those are possibly barriers, I can't help but wonder if pathological altruism is going to be the anchor that prevents humankind from taking a real leap forward. Without the willpower to cut off the least productive population groups and more importantly keep them out of the most advanced countries on earth, we'll end up burning far too high a percentage of our natural resources, capital, and social cohesion to do anything other than tread water in civilizational terms.*

*that is, under current "democratic" political systems

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Derek Leaberry's avatar

In a Dickens novel, a Mrs. Jellaby cares more about a tribe in African than she does her own children. Typical lefty.

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questing vole's avatar

I can only offer an addendum to the comment below stating that almost every NY Times article could be called 'White Man Bad', and that is that almost every article could also be titled 'Who, Whom.'

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