AI is also probably why the Illuminati (or whoever) stopped complaining about greenhouse gases and why the dangers of nuclear waste will shortly be revealed to have been exaggerated.
The problem with rare earths is not so much finding them but refining them. So unless ecological regulations on "dirty" mineral processing are changed this would not be the primary reason of getting Greenland. One alternative is of course to pay Russians for rare earths so that they compete with the Chinese.
> Right. The southern latitudes are extremely mountainous and thus cold, while much of the middle would be below sea level. <
That map without ice, actually looks pretty darn neat. A huge inland sea--loads of beachfront property, with the mountains only a short drive. Awesome.
Unfortunately,
a) even much, much warmer it's still at very high latitude and going to be cold (and I'm an old man)
b) if that ice melts, it's going easily top my pool out back, pretty sure i'd drown sitting right here in the living room, even the upstairs would probably be wet--maybe the roof would be dry ... until a spring tide or a hurricane; basically I'd have to move to Orlando and that would really be depressing.
There would be a huge inner sea. Even without rising sea levels. Never knew! But yes, it looks as if there would be enough flat dry land around that sea.
Denmark is an ally, a great and sane nation, and Danes, in my experience, are personally well-disposed towards Americans. I’ve even heard them speak about Trump with greater rationality than many people here.
So, no, you’re not missing anything. It would be a colossal fuck-up.
Danes are complicated. I wouldn't say they are best friends - they are core constituents of EU, and the current US admin has big problems with EU. Digital censorship, limited freedom of speech and all that. Besides, Denmark is a democratic socialist country and wants an all out war with Russia. They may be a bit more migration-restrictive than France or Germany, but that won't help them.
Denmark keeps the EU at arms length - having opted out of the euro and common defense policy, and exempt their citizens from EU law in several respects. I have some ideological qualms with the welfare state and all, but the fact is that Denmark punches above its weight. They went to Afghanistan. They’re a tiny country but invest significant capital in the US and want to continue doing so despite the uncertainty the current administration generates.
Full disclosure: I work for a Danish company. Call me biased if you like, but I say they’re a valuable ally and moreover a truly civilized society (even if I have some ideological qualms about the welfare state etc.)
There’s surely a win-win solution for both countries on rare earths. If not - taking it by force would be evil. I don’t think it’s likely Trump would try, tbh, because I don’t think he’s evil. But even the saber-rattling is bullshit.
It would be 1 representative, since the current population is a tenth of that of Wyoming. This is so low it wouldn't even make sense for it to be a state; the power in the Senate would be absurdly disproportionate (to the point where demographic engineering to capture Greenland's Senate seat would be a viable political strategy).
This is the problem with Trump--with "Big Man" types like Trump and Putin. They got to make noise and "do stuff"--change the map--even if it's pointless or even counter-productive.
If I wasn't so lazy, I'd have seconded some comments on Venezuela that a big part was classic Monroe Doctrine relative to China.
Our China "policy"--polite to even call it a "policy"--for the past several decades:
-- Let China make all our stuff
-- Profit!
has been so insane, that if it wasn't for the even their--orders of magnitude worse!--immivasion policy, China alone would make our "elites" lamppost worthy.
One of my critiques of Trump's trade policy, is that the sole big problem is really China. (Chinese workers are highly competent and now probably about as technically productive as in the West--but make 1/3 (if that) their income. It really is "eating the world" and there isn't a real end in sight.) A much more positive approach would be essentially a "Western Civ" trade block (which could extend to Japan and South Korea) of balanced intra-Western trade, with China boxed out from eating the West--the rest of the world.
This approach could actually have some appeal to European manufacturing interests. For example, the combination of "Net Zero" and China are threatening to simply decimate European auto manufacturing, ergo Germany and European employment. There's some movement to relax the rules and rein in this catastrophe, but it's a real looming disaster. Pitching to Europeans "Hey, let's all stop the immigration insanity and trade insanity. Let's preserve our industry, our technological base and our peoples' livelihoods and future ... together", would have a lot of common sense appeal.
MAGA America could be helping Europe--the seat of Western civilization--recover some cojones and help it toss off the immivasion insanity. Instead, Trump just alienates Europs with tariffs without the positive "we're in this together" vision and with utterly unnecessary nonsense like Greenland. (The US offered to buy Greenland for a good chunk of change after the War and the Danes foolishly said "no" ... and have been instead paying for it--it's a welfare case--ever since, while still letting us use it for defense.)
Though the hour is very, very late there really is still a chance for the West, iff we
-- stop the immivasion
-- start sending all the obviously incompatibles back
-- get to work on incentives (taxes, housing, jobs) to recovery native fertility eugenically
-- cut-off or at least balance China trade to protest Western industry and technology (China can makes stuff for .... the Chinese! Imagine that.)
But this requires bold nationalists leaders with some actual "vision", not just chest thumping.
Of course, recovery of native fertility eugenically actually only refers to non-Hispanic whites. People like Anotherdad are probably happy that black fertility rates have fallen to the same level as whites and that Hispanic fertility is going down.
A dozen years or so back I was on an Emirates flight back to Seattle. I was right side window and got an absolutely stunning view of the very top of Greenland. Just the last bit of those northernmost mountains and their glaciers--the northernmost land on the planet--were in view right underneath me... then just hundreds of miles of brilliantly white Arctic Sea ice. At 36 or 38,000, I couldn't see to the Pole, but I got the idea. Stunning and beautiful vista but looked f'ing cold!
Maybe this is Trump's confused idea of the "Flight *to* White".
No, you aren't missing anything. Well said. Particularly the part about "vindicating wars of conquest is one of the worst ideas imaginable", which we appear to be doing even as we speak, with China and Russia taking notes.
Well it is not like we were not warned. JD Vance just could not stop talking about how much he wanted to invade Greenland in Hillbilly Elegy. On and on, page after ranting page, really a grip your elbow bend your ear droning obsessive about it.
……I don’t think the people we see on the teevee actually set any of these policy agendas, is what I am saying.
I'm already working on ideas for what patriots should call Great Danes (Deutsche Dogge) and the pastry (working on it. Already rejected Freedoms as ambiguous).
Great Dane was originally Deutsche Dogge. It got reflagged in WW1 IIRC. Same with Deutscher Schäferhund changed to Alsatian. Danes themselves call Danish Pastry - Wienerbrød.
This really nails it. The point about vindacating wars of conquest being terrible policy when we need China to not invade Taiwan is spot-on. Denmark's been a solid ally, sacrificing lives in Afghanistan and supporting Ukraine more than most, and they've let us use their teritory for defense for free since 1951. Treating them like an adversery over Greenland just alienates a freind and sets a dangerous presedent. Plus the Haber-Bosch point—land just isn't as valuable as it used to be, so why risk all that for frozen rocks?
Am wondering if Trump & Co are looking at Denmark in view of what has happened to the EU. If Germany, France & UK decide it is in their best interest to take a more non-aligned position vs Russia & China (primarily because of energy,) would Denmark stand valiantly in support of the US? Permit me to doubt.
In a different age and in an ideal situation, Greenland would be nice. As it is, if Denmark and the existing Government there say no, that's final. Anyone who sincerely mentions a military attack is crazy.
I'm not sure if you're doing this for strategic purposes or if it was an oversight, but I'm disappointed you didn't notify your twitter followers of either this post or the one on Scott Adams. I shouldn't have to rely on my web browser accidentally refreshing the tab to find out you posted twice this weekend 🤬
As for the contents of the post, the board game Risk considers Greenland to be part of North America, and if it's good enough for the Parker brothers, it's good enough for me
Nah, leave Greenland nominally independent but take all the resources and put a big fancy base up there. I don't want the Democrats getting another White country to ghettoize.
Is that what Greenland looks like without snow? There's nowhere to sit down.
Right. The southern latitudes are extremely mountainous and thus cold, while much of the middle would be below sea level.
AI is also probably why the Illuminati (or whoever) stopped complaining about greenhouse gases and why the dangers of nuclear waste will shortly be revealed to have been exaggerated.
The problem with rare earths is not so much finding them but refining them. So unless ecological regulations on "dirty" mineral processing are changed this would not be the primary reason of getting Greenland. One alternative is of course to pay Russians for rare earths so that they compete with the Chinese.
> Right. The southern latitudes are extremely mountainous and thus cold, while much of the middle would be below sea level. <
That map without ice, actually looks pretty darn neat. A huge inland sea--loads of beachfront property, with the mountains only a short drive. Awesome.
Unfortunately,
a) even much, much warmer it's still at very high latitude and going to be cold (and I'm an old man)
b) if that ice melts, it's going easily top my pool out back, pretty sure i'd drown sitting right here in the living room, even the upstairs would probably be wet--maybe the roof would be dry ... until a spring tide or a hurricane; basically I'd have to move to Orlando and that would really be depressing.
There would be a huge inner sea. Even without rising sea levels. Never knew! But yes, it looks as if there would be enough flat dry land around that sea.
Brilliant takedown, Steve. You missed nothing.
Denmark is an ally, a great and sane nation, and Danes, in my experience, are personally well-disposed towards Americans. I’ve even heard them speak about Trump with greater rationality than many people here.
So, no, you’re not missing anything. It would be a colossal fuck-up.
Danes are complicated. I wouldn't say they are best friends - they are core constituents of EU, and the current US admin has big problems with EU. Digital censorship, limited freedom of speech and all that. Besides, Denmark is a democratic socialist country and wants an all out war with Russia. They may be a bit more migration-restrictive than France or Germany, but that won't help them.
Denmark keeps the EU at arms length - having opted out of the euro and common defense policy, and exempt their citizens from EU law in several respects. I have some ideological qualms with the welfare state and all, but the fact is that Denmark punches above its weight. They went to Afghanistan. They’re a tiny country but invest significant capital in the US and want to continue doing so despite the uncertainty the current administration generates.
Full disclosure: I work for a Danish company. Call me biased if you like, but I say they’re a valuable ally and moreover a truly civilized society (even if I have some ideological qualms about the welfare state etc.)
There’s surely a win-win solution for both countries on rare earths. If not - taking it by force would be evil. I don’t think it’s likely Trump would try, tbh, because I don’t think he’s evil. But even the saber-rattling is bullshit.
Denmark is a founding member of NATO.
No matter who you vote for, you end up with John McCain. I guess the temptations of power are too great.
Yeah - McCain did a huge amount of damage, and wanted to do more.
Gold star comment. It’s very depressing.
"drunken Eskimos who owe zero loyalty to America", exactly. Plus a few congressmen and two senators to promote their incessant whining.
How about taking Greenland and on the other hand cutting loose California, Oregon and Washington Litoral, as long as Greater Idaho gets Ocean-Access?
I suspect James K. Polk had the right idea:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW6E_TNgCsY
He couldn't imagine California becoming "ecotopia"
It would be 1 representative, since the current population is a tenth of that of Wyoming. This is so low it wouldn't even make sense for it to be a state; the power in the Senate would be absurdly disproportionate (to the point where demographic engineering to capture Greenland's Senate seat would be a viable political strategy).
> Should Trump Conquer Greenland? <
Uh no.
This is the problem with Trump--with "Big Man" types like Trump and Putin. They got to make noise and "do stuff"--change the map--even if it's pointless or even counter-productive.
If I wasn't so lazy, I'd have seconded some comments on Venezuela that a big part was classic Monroe Doctrine relative to China.
Our China "policy"--polite to even call it a "policy"--for the past several decades:
-- Let China make all our stuff
-- Profit!
has been so insane, that if it wasn't for the even their--orders of magnitude worse!--immivasion policy, China alone would make our "elites" lamppost worthy.
One of my critiques of Trump's trade policy, is that the sole big problem is really China. (Chinese workers are highly competent and now probably about as technically productive as in the West--but make 1/3 (if that) their income. It really is "eating the world" and there isn't a real end in sight.) A much more positive approach would be essentially a "Western Civ" trade block (which could extend to Japan and South Korea) of balanced intra-Western trade, with China boxed out from eating the West--the rest of the world.
This approach could actually have some appeal to European manufacturing interests. For example, the combination of "Net Zero" and China are threatening to simply decimate European auto manufacturing, ergo Germany and European employment. There's some movement to relax the rules and rein in this catastrophe, but it's a real looming disaster. Pitching to Europeans "Hey, let's all stop the immigration insanity and trade insanity. Let's preserve our industry, our technological base and our peoples' livelihoods and future ... together", would have a lot of common sense appeal.
MAGA America could be helping Europe--the seat of Western civilization--recover some cojones and help it toss off the immivasion insanity. Instead, Trump just alienates Europs with tariffs without the positive "we're in this together" vision and with utterly unnecessary nonsense like Greenland. (The US offered to buy Greenland for a good chunk of change after the War and the Danes foolishly said "no" ... and have been instead paying for it--it's a welfare case--ever since, while still letting us use it for defense.)
Though the hour is very, very late there really is still a chance for the West, iff we
-- stop the immivasion
-- start sending all the obviously incompatibles back
-- get to work on incentives (taxes, housing, jobs) to recovery native fertility eugenically
-- cut-off or at least balance China trade to protest Western industry and technology (China can makes stuff for .... the Chinese! Imagine that.)
But this requires bold nationalists leaders with some actual "vision", not just chest thumping.
"protest"
Of course, recovery of native fertility eugenically actually only refers to non-Hispanic whites. People like Anotherdad are probably happy that black fertility rates have fallen to the same level as whites and that Hispanic fertility is going down.
Following Gregory Cochran on X has been very informative on this subject.
I have to wonder if it was embarrassing for JD Vance to go there.
A dozen years or so back I was on an Emirates flight back to Seattle. I was right side window and got an absolutely stunning view of the very top of Greenland. Just the last bit of those northernmost mountains and their glaciers--the northernmost land on the planet--were in view right underneath me... then just hundreds of miles of brilliantly white Arctic Sea ice. At 36 or 38,000, I couldn't see to the Pole, but I got the idea. Stunning and beautiful vista but looked f'ing cold!
Maybe this is Trump's confused idea of the "Flight *to* White".
No, you aren't missing anything. Well said. Particularly the part about "vindicating wars of conquest is one of the worst ideas imaginable", which we appear to be doing even as we speak, with China and Russia taking notes.
Well it is not like we were not warned. JD Vance just could not stop talking about how much he wanted to invade Greenland in Hillbilly Elegy. On and on, page after ranting page, really a grip your elbow bend your ear droning obsessive about it.
……I don’t think the people we see on the teevee actually set any of these policy agendas, is what I am saying.
I'm already working on ideas for what patriots should call Great Danes (Deutsche Dogge) and the pastry (working on it. Already rejected Freedoms as ambiguous).
Great Dane was originally Deutsche Dogge. It got reflagged in WW1 IIRC. Same with Deutscher Schäferhund changed to Alsatian. Danes themselves call Danish Pastry - Wienerbrød.
Given that the Great Dane was from Germany, I assumed it was always called German Dog and that Great Dane was some kind of American misnomer.
Freedombrod?
If Austria becomes neutral again, maybe Viennese Pastry?
This really nails it. The point about vindacating wars of conquest being terrible policy when we need China to not invade Taiwan is spot-on. Denmark's been a solid ally, sacrificing lives in Afghanistan and supporting Ukraine more than most, and they've let us use their teritory for defense for free since 1951. Treating them like an adversery over Greenland just alienates a freind and sets a dangerous presedent. Plus the Haber-Bosch point—land just isn't as valuable as it used to be, so why risk all that for frozen rocks?
Am wondering if Trump & Co are looking at Denmark in view of what has happened to the EU. If Germany, France & UK decide it is in their best interest to take a more non-aligned position vs Russia & China (primarily because of energy,) would Denmark stand valiantly in support of the US? Permit me to doubt.
In a different age and in an ideal situation, Greenland would be nice. As it is, if Denmark and the existing Government there say no, that's final. Anyone who sincerely mentions a military attack is crazy.
I'm not sure if you're doing this for strategic purposes or if it was an oversight, but I'm disappointed you didn't notify your twitter followers of either this post or the one on Scott Adams. I shouldn't have to rely on my web browser accidentally refreshing the tab to find out you posted twice this weekend 🤬
As for the contents of the post, the board game Risk considers Greenland to be part of North America, and if it's good enough for the Parker brothers, it's good enough for me
Nah, leave Greenland nominally independent but take all the resources and put a big fancy base up there. I don't want the Democrats getting another White country to ghettoize.
Have you looked at Greenland's demographic numbers?
Yes, Greenland is not "white". It's mostly Native American/Inuit.