The USA is on the way towards 170m core Whites (full European-Christian origin) by ca. 2040 (due to a now-sustained Deaths>Births status for Whites, increasing in magnitude; the rope of demographic slack has been pulled taut).
To be at a 60% core-White share of population by then (ca. 2040), the full U.S. population would need to be <285m.
In 2025 the Census Bureau thinks there are 343m U.S.-residents (by end of 2025). The Trump people are not apparently much slowing down "LEE-GULL immigration; people coming in LEE-GULL-EE" (as they like to pronounce it) and the scale of deportations is unclear but apparently overhyped by both sides.
The USA would need a NET-exit of 4 million per year, every year, sustained over 15 years, to keep at 60%-White at national level. Not total departures, but Departures - Arrivals = 4 million.
Yes, I’ve long accepted that the US as it has existed is finished. We’re rearranging deck chairs at this point. But let’s try getting rid of a few million illegals and see what that does for the housing market.
Not sure it is worth it to hear the endless droning on from the media and Democrats about how Trump is all but putting our military up for sale. Because you know they will.
I was stationed at Camp Pendleton for quite a while and also worked as a security base at The San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station (SONGS). So I know the area quite well. And have some fond memories patrolling and navigating the base in different trainings.
You mention only 77k Marines, but a lot of that is training area a for things like tanks (I think are getting phased out?), light armored vehicles, artillery and helicopters. All of which, in addition to infantry Marines, are doing live fire exercises that require lots of distance and a buffer for safety. Many ranges have unexploded ordinance which I am not sure could ever completely and safely be removed. There are also buffalo who roam the base.
But to your point, there are certainly areas that were never ranges that could probably practically be developed. In between the power plant and the further northern gate, Cristianitos, and the next one, San Onofre Gate, there is some open space. And to your other point about former military land not being developed on, consider San Clemente Island south of Catalina. That is Navy base that has been used for training and practicing military landings. Perhaps that could be used to create a new luxury resort and island so I don't have to fly to Hawaii.
It seems the tanks of the US Marines are already gone.
"The United States Marine Corps (USMC) does not operate tanks anymore, having disbanded its tank battalions and transferred its M1 Abrams tanks to the Army by 2021. This change is part of a larger restructuring aimed at creating a lighter, faster force optimized for potential future conflicts, particularly in the Indo-Pacific."
I cannot in all good conscience endorse or encourage the attraction or domiciling of more granola to the grafted-on country of Californiastan. Signed - Happy Ex-Resident and UC Berkeley Masters Graduate.
Steve: I'm a former Marine and my wife is an Orange County native, and I think you're correct that 10% being developable is a stretch.
The big problem that I see it is that there's no large contiguous area of Pendleton that could be developed.
The coastal strip is too narrow and strategically important and a good portion of it in San Onofre doesn't even belong to the federal government.
The mountains are too rugged (see how little development there is on the adjacent private land).
The relatively flat areas near Fallbrook and Oceanside might have potential - but they're currently used for underground ammunition storage, and it's hard to see how the land sale would pencil out given the colossal expense that would be required to relocate those facilities.
I would be sorry to see this. First of all, the best part of driving to San Diego is passing those twenty glorious miles of Pendleton - it looks and feels like Wild California Before People even though of course it's a Marine base. But also why not let the Marines keep enjoying their happy home there? My daughter was in JROTC in high school for two years (wish she'd done all four years - as a parent at least it was a wonderful experience) and every summer the kids would spend a week at Camp Pendleton living in Quonset huts, running around, sitting outside in the dark with the grownups chatting - it was absolutely beautiful. Fortunately they always needed mother volunteers (no problem getting enough father chaperones). It was so impressive for them and me to see the young Marines, male and female, so proper and fit and friendly when we went to the MPX or to pick up the meals they cooked for us (and as the parent of a petite child who still hasn't passed 5'0" - it was inspiring to see very tough SHORT Marines - I think all the other branches have a minimum height requirement - apparently not the Marines). I get the finances but I think it would be shame for the civilian world to take over any part of Marine Land.
Agree w comments, let’s leave it alone from any development. Maybe you could turn part of it into a state park of wildlife reserve, but the last thing SoCal needs is more people.
Close the entire thing, move the marines to less expensive land and build a charter city exempt from California and Federal abuse. We would be lining up to move there. Surf is some of the best in the world!
I thought that LA and SD already are one huge gigapolis, connecting through Temecula. That narrow canyon stretch of I-15 south of Temecula is less than five miles long and not enough to prevent the two urban areas from merging.
Wiki: Camp Pendleton, "Built: March–September 1942; In use, 1942–present." "[E]stablished in 1942 to train U.S. Marines for service in World War II. By October 1944, [it] was declared a 'permanent installation'..."
Unsurprisingly, the story of the origins of the place are tied very directly, unavoidably, and unambiguously to the rise of the U.S. to global-superpower status. The inertia of the ball rolling by the FDR people never stopped. The temporary training camp became a sprawling, permanent rotten-borough-like status even after the crusade against Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany was long over.
After 1990 and the end of Soviet power, did no one propose reducing the scale of the place and returning some to private use? By the 1990s it may have seemed strange to even suggest it, as some might still have done in the late 1940s (but not after the Korean War caused something more of a permanent war-footing, which really continues into the 2020s).
Interesting to see that a bulk of the area was an old Mexican land grant in use as a mega-ranch ("Rancho Santa Margarita y Las Flores"), until taken over lock, stock, and barrel by the U.S. Department of War in 1942, which jealously guards its ownership.
They'd poisoned the groundwater in Camp Lejeune, causing lawsuits and big payouts, but I guess that isn't a problem in SoCal.
I drove up the freeway from La Jolla in '85 to see my brief childhood rental house in Los Alamitos. They'd set up an illegal-smuggling viewing station at one end of Pendleton--like a tollbooth with klieg lights.
Using coastal Santa Monica as a comparable for 10% of Camp Pendleton may sound alluring, but the coastal land is the least likely to be given up by the littorally-minded Marine Corps.
If the Marines did give up 10% of the camp, it would likely be inland, so maybe Temecula or Covina would be better analogies.
As your New Jersey correspondent I want to report that the feds sold 300 acres of the former Fort Monmouth to Netflix for $55 million cash plus $850 million in site improvements. The fort was over 1125 acres so this leaves 73 percent available for further improvements. For those not from the area Fort Monmouth is located on the northern part of the Jersey Shore, about 30 miles south of Madison Square Garden as the crow flies (or via ferry) but about an hour drive. In other words, a great location for a company that wants access to NYC without paying the rents required by being located within the city limits.
I had no idea about this. Would love to hear Murphy explain why the land wasn’t sold to developers to build affordable housing. We’re in a crisis apparently as suburbs are forced to stomach massive overdevelopment with apartment buildings for renters and the poor.
Re: amphibious landings, I recall the current amtrac (amphibious tractor) design dates back to 1970, a badly needed redesign of the old LVT, so the troops could run out the back of the landing craft, not the front where the Wehrmacht could machine gun the troops down in neat rows.
A new design was announced a few years back, and they were going to use tires and axles instead of caterpillar tracks for speed and mobility. Then they announced they were not going forward with the amtrac redesign and that the Marine Corps was getting out of the business of amphibious landings, presumably because anti-armor ordnance was getting too effective and ubiquitous and nobody wants to simultaneously drown/burn to death in steel coffins before you can even make your suicide charge up the beach. Bad visuals too.
Then I read that they were going forward with the redesign after all, I guess because they've got amphibious landings figured out or because it's still the only way to get the Marines onto the island of Formosa. But I don't know.
How about we deport a few million and then see where we stand. That was something Trump actually campaigned on.
The USA is on the way towards 170m core Whites (full European-Christian origin) by ca. 2040 (due to a now-sustained Deaths>Births status for Whites, increasing in magnitude; the rope of demographic slack has been pulled taut).
To be at a 60% core-White share of population by then (ca. 2040), the full U.S. population would need to be <285m.
In 2025 the Census Bureau thinks there are 343m U.S.-residents (by end of 2025). The Trump people are not apparently much slowing down "LEE-GULL immigration; people coming in LEE-GULL-EE" (as they like to pronounce it) and the scale of deportations is unclear but apparently overhyped by both sides.
The USA would need a NET-exit of 4 million per year, every year, sustained over 15 years, to keep at 60%-White at national level. Not total departures, but Departures - Arrivals = 4 million.
Yes, I’ve long accepted that the US as it has existed is finished. We’re rearranging deck chairs at this point. But let’s try getting rid of a few million illegals and see what that does for the housing market.
And how would one achieve one's policy goal constitutionally?
Konstatooshunally!!!
Like President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho will care what that piece of paper says in 2050.
Not sure it is worth it to hear the endless droning on from the media and Democrats about how Trump is all but putting our military up for sale. Because you know they will.
I was stationed at Camp Pendleton for quite a while and also worked as a security base at The San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station (SONGS). So I know the area quite well. And have some fond memories patrolling and navigating the base in different trainings.
You mention only 77k Marines, but a lot of that is training area a for things like tanks (I think are getting phased out?), light armored vehicles, artillery and helicopters. All of which, in addition to infantry Marines, are doing live fire exercises that require lots of distance and a buffer for safety. Many ranges have unexploded ordinance which I am not sure could ever completely and safely be removed. There are also buffalo who roam the base.
But to your point, there are certainly areas that were never ranges that could probably practically be developed. In between the power plant and the further northern gate, Cristianitos, and the next one, San Onofre Gate, there is some open space. And to your other point about former military land not being developed on, consider San Clemente Island south of Catalina. That is Navy base that has been used for training and practicing military landings. Perhaps that could be used to create a new luxury resort and island so I don't have to fly to Hawaii.
It seems the tanks of the US Marines are already gone.
"The United States Marine Corps (USMC) does not operate tanks anymore, having disbanded its tank battalions and transferred its M1 Abrams tanks to the Army by 2021. This change is part of a larger restructuring aimed at creating a lighter, faster force optimized for potential future conflicts, particularly in the Indo-Pacific."
No we shouldn't build more soulless bullshit south of OC
Commercial development probably means factories for DOW items.
I cannot in all good conscience endorse or encourage the attraction or domiciling of more granola to the grafted-on country of Californiastan. Signed - Happy Ex-Resident and UC Berkeley Masters Graduate.
Steve: I'm a former Marine and my wife is an Orange County native, and I think you're correct that 10% being developable is a stretch.
The big problem that I see it is that there's no large contiguous area of Pendleton that could be developed.
The coastal strip is too narrow and strategically important and a good portion of it in San Onofre doesn't even belong to the federal government.
The mountains are too rugged (see how little development there is on the adjacent private land).
The relatively flat areas near Fallbrook and Oceanside might have potential - but they're currently used for underground ammunition storage, and it's hard to see how the land sale would pencil out given the colossal expense that would be required to relocate those facilities.
I would be sorry to see this. First of all, the best part of driving to San Diego is passing those twenty glorious miles of Pendleton - it looks and feels like Wild California Before People even though of course it's a Marine base. But also why not let the Marines keep enjoying their happy home there? My daughter was in JROTC in high school for two years (wish she'd done all four years - as a parent at least it was a wonderful experience) and every summer the kids would spend a week at Camp Pendleton living in Quonset huts, running around, sitting outside in the dark with the grownups chatting - it was absolutely beautiful. Fortunately they always needed mother volunteers (no problem getting enough father chaperones). It was so impressive for them and me to see the young Marines, male and female, so proper and fit and friendly when we went to the MPX or to pick up the meals they cooked for us (and as the parent of a petite child who still hasn't passed 5'0" - it was inspiring to see very tough SHORT Marines - I think all the other branches have a minimum height requirement - apparently not the Marines). I get the finances but I think it would be shame for the civilian world to take over any part of Marine Land.
Agree w comments, let’s leave it alone from any development. Maybe you could turn part of it into a state park of wildlife reserve, but the last thing SoCal needs is more people.
Close the entire thing, move the marines to less expensive land and build a charter city exempt from California and Federal abuse. We would be lining up to move there. Surf is some of the best in the world!
Would the Pendleton Charter City be allowed to keep out Migrants?
Seems like we would all be migrants. Doubt there would be any love for free riders though!
I thought that LA and SD already are one huge gigapolis, connecting through Temecula. That narrow canyon stretch of I-15 south of Temecula is less than five miles long and not enough to prevent the two urban areas from merging.
Wiki: Camp Pendleton, "Built: March–September 1942; In use, 1942–present." "[E]stablished in 1942 to train U.S. Marines for service in World War II. By October 1944, [it] was declared a 'permanent installation'..."
Unsurprisingly, the story of the origins of the place are tied very directly, unavoidably, and unambiguously to the rise of the U.S. to global-superpower status. The inertia of the ball rolling by the FDR people never stopped. The temporary training camp became a sprawling, permanent rotten-borough-like status even after the crusade against Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany was long over.
After 1990 and the end of Soviet power, did no one propose reducing the scale of the place and returning some to private use? By the 1990s it may have seemed strange to even suggest it, as some might still have done in the late 1940s (but not after the Korean War caused something more of a permanent war-footing, which really continues into the 2020s).
Interesting to see that a bulk of the area was an old Mexican land grant in use as a mega-ranch ("Rancho Santa Margarita y Las Flores"), until taken over lock, stock, and barrel by the U.S. Department of War in 1942, which jealously guards its ownership.
They'd poisoned the groundwater in Camp Lejeune, causing lawsuits and big payouts, but I guess that isn't a problem in SoCal.
I drove up the freeway from La Jolla in '85 to see my brief childhood rental house in Los Alamitos. They'd set up an illegal-smuggling viewing station at one end of Pendleton--like a tollbooth with klieg lights.
Using coastal Santa Monica as a comparable for 10% of Camp Pendleton may sound alluring, but the coastal land is the least likely to be given up by the littorally-minded Marine Corps.
If the Marines did give up 10% of the camp, it would likely be inland, so maybe Temecula or Covina would be better analogies.
As your New Jersey correspondent I want to report that the feds sold 300 acres of the former Fort Monmouth to Netflix for $55 million cash plus $850 million in site improvements. The fort was over 1125 acres so this leaves 73 percent available for further improvements. For those not from the area Fort Monmouth is located on the northern part of the Jersey Shore, about 30 miles south of Madison Square Garden as the crow flies (or via ferry) but about an hour drive. In other words, a great location for a company that wants access to NYC without paying the rents required by being located within the city limits.
Via the Asbury Park Press: https://archive.is/biqy6
I had no idea about this. Would love to hear Murphy explain why the land wasn’t sold to developers to build affordable housing. We’re in a crisis apparently as suburbs are forced to stomach massive overdevelopment with apartment buildings for renters and the poor.
Re: amphibious landings, I recall the current amtrac (amphibious tractor) design dates back to 1970, a badly needed redesign of the old LVT, so the troops could run out the back of the landing craft, not the front where the Wehrmacht could machine gun the troops down in neat rows.
A new design was announced a few years back, and they were going to use tires and axles instead of caterpillar tracks for speed and mobility. Then they announced they were not going forward with the amtrac redesign and that the Marine Corps was getting out of the business of amphibious landings, presumably because anti-armor ordnance was getting too effective and ubiquitous and nobody wants to simultaneously drown/burn to death in steel coffins before you can even make your suicide charge up the beach. Bad visuals too.
Then I read that they were going forward with the redesign after all, I guess because they've got amphibious landings figured out or because it's still the only way to get the Marines onto the island of Formosa. But I don't know.