I don't get it. I know precisely one man who likes skinny women (he's a Middle Eastern tomcat). Every other male friend, family and acquaintance I know prefers women with healthy bodyweights. Are celebrity women that bullied by their gay male friends? Dear God please bring back the 1980s. It was the last decade when white men and women were healthy and happy and loved each other.
Yup, this discussion has been done on the internet a gazillion times. Most men don't lust after concentration camp survivors--> shut up, we aren't trying to look good for men, conceited much?
I've also participated in a conversation with a friend's girlfriend (now wife) that we swear to god not all men are into large breasts. I know, it sounds like a lie, but we weren't trying to make her feel better.
Large breasts are great on your first girlfriend, when you're teenagers. Diminishing returns set in hard thereafter. In this as in so many aspects of life, adequacy is underrated.
"I've also participated in a conversation with a friend's girlfriend (now wife) that we swear to god not all men are into large breasts. I know, it sounds like a lie, but we weren't trying to make her feel better."
Lol, I knew someone in the discussion would eventually hone in on women's breasts, and Erik takes first prize 6 comments in!
I don’t think it is about skinny vs healthy. I think it’s a battle between young and middle aged women. Women over 30 or 35 know they are in a losing battle and want to stay beautiful longer. notice how skinny most aging starlets become trying desperately to compete with the next it girls.
Supposedly Catherine Deneuve deliberately put on 10 pounds as she aged to fill out her face. What looks wispy and lithe when you're young just looks skeletal when your old. Somebody posted recent pics of Demi Moore and Brooke Shields and they look awful. I think people get obsessed with getting back the lean flat bellies they had in youth.
Ariana Grande is 31 and they've already gotten to her. Shes's lost all her color and curves.
The problem is that after 25 or so your subcutaneous fat starts to lose structure and tightness. That's fine for another ten years at least, unless you want to be in front of the camera and go sleeveless.
I was struck by one season of 'Friends' when Courtney Cox and Jennifer Aniston returned ten or twenty pounds (eh who knows) lighter. At some point a young actress gets less young and has to choose between face looking young and keeping unbroken body contours.
Based on extensive wasted internet time, I have determined 38 is the average age at which a pretty woman realizes that men in their forties dating women in their twenties is essentially pedophilia.
Trump is the excuse to return to normal. I hope my local Dick’s Sporting Goods gets the message and tosses the overweight female mannequins. Only the female mannequins:)
No one ever talked about how none of the men’s publications/websites had fat male models. Would’ve looked utterly ridiculous, wouldn’t it have? Even though many thought so, no one had the guts to point out how ridiculous it looked for women, as well.
When I was young and fatter I had to shop at the Big and Tall. I expressed my hypothesis to the owner, that the reason thin men looked better in suits than large men (in this case I swear a mix of fat and extreme muscle bulk) was because suits were designed specifically for thin men to make up for their deficiencies, the formed shoulder, the artificial V and all that.
Nah, he said, skinny guys just always look better.
I think the left is just fatigued from having to resist Trump on every turn. Insisting fat bodies were desirable finally exhausted them, because even they knew how preposterous a stance it was.
God help me but I ended up in a group chat with a lot of young women for the last few years. They all hated fat models. They all admired Vlada Rroslyakova, a model from almost 20 years ago who was 5 foot 10 and like 110 pounds.
No one wants to be fat and most don’t find fat attractive. Almost every single person looks better thinner. All this body diversity and fat positivity was just trying to get fatties more dates by trying to brainwash people into liking fat people. It didn’t work and now we’re back to thinner is better.
Personally I prefer the sporty Baywatch bodies of the 90s and the 90s supermodels where thin but not skinny.
Steve, this article might be up your alley. The Free Press located James Damore, many years after his famous firing from Google. He couldn’t find another job anywhere in the US. He found work at a company he won’t name, in Europe. He’s living in Luxembourg.
This makes me so angry. People ruined his life and wanted him relegated to a life of poverty for violating a taboo. Meanwhile you can violate laws with impunity.
If only the Chicago Bulls had managed to sign that elderly Jewish woman they were recruiting to play power forward, they would be dominating their conference.
Too bad they got stuck with an athletic young black man instead.
"so all the rage expressed by women writers in the New York Times who aren’t fashion models had to be directed at “white men” for preferring models who look like concentration camp survivors."
Who said anything about 'survivors'?
If 'Sex and the City' can be trusted for accuracy, there is a type of man in Manhattan who only dates models. I suppose if you were an attractive female writer trying to date in Manhattan, it might elicit some rage.
Great subject and post. There is something to the idea that the swing has something to do with changing politics. The last five years have been dominated by conferring status on society’s losers and outliers, so naturally we were also gaslit about what is beautiful. MAGA is about restoration and winning, so it’s reverted back to women and looks that high status men traditionally have hanging about.
I personally prefer women with athletic figures so scrawny and underfed types were never all that attractive to me, but at least that requires a kind of discipline as opposed to those who are sedentary other than when walking to the fridge.
"As Ms. Taymour said, there’s a good business case to be made for demonstrating clearly that you “relate to all types of your customer base,” including all sizes."
Indeed, the case is so good that Victoria's Secret cut their profit in half when they tried it. Also their spokesperson was the very difficult to like Megan Rapinoe, the Dylan Mulvaney of the lingerie industry.
The real question is not whether males (or others) prefer absurdly thin models to not so thin models (to betray my age, I preferred Ann-Margaret to Twiggy, but both were more than adequate). It is more the case that recently we have been force-fed a diet (pun intended) of extremely ugly and obese models. It was like the left was spitting in our collective faces, saying (which someone that Sailer quoted did say above) that we are re-defining what attractiveness means. To say the least, that emperor is not wearing any clothes, and, since he/she/it is fat and ugly, I prefer clothes to be worn and those wearing them kept out of my line of vision.
The Red Scare ladies explained the physiognomy of models as follows:
-very tall
-long necks and narrow heads so the camera doesn’t focus on their heads
-very low BMI but wide hips as, well, they are modelling female clothing
The above is all so that the eye is drawn to the features of the clothing, not the wearer. At the end of the day the customer is supposed to buy the garment.
This phenotype is perhaps 0.1% of the population. There is zero crossover with similarly rare WNBA phenotype for example because those ladies all have muscular legs and arms.
Fashion modelling is one of the few careers where women earn multiples of what men do. The only male model I can name is Derek Zoolander, and he was a parody character from a movie 20 years ago.
It’s always been a puzzle to me why women, and not just feminists, never seem to even notice the shattering of the glass ceiling in this profession, and instead obsess over how the crumbs are distributed.
Yeah I think the thinness of models is about allowing fabric to drape and swish elegantly, it's not really a preference for the body type underneath at all. Very thin and very tall is best for this effect.
My high school year had two straight guys in it who went on to have very successful careers, one in choreography and the other on the marketing side of female beauty products.
Neither of them are super high IQ but both had a good work ethic and winning personalities. But I think another big factor was that they were straight men in the world of girls and gays. I think this made it more easy for them to organically take on leadership roles.
This topic is only indirectly interesting, in that I never really followed the female fashion industry, except rarely in passing if it was a topic in any TV show or newspaper/magazine article. As an adolescent lad, I only focused on hard news and sports related 'zines such as US News and World Report, Scientific American, Outside, Field and Stream, Guns and Ammo, Sports Illustrated, The Sporting News, The Baseball Almanac, and the like.
I think I can speak for millions of my fellow adolescent heterosexual males and state we almost always preferred the models in Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition, Playboy and Penthouse to anything on display in the Garment District of New York City.
However, I do realize that President Trump does prefer the fashion ladies as his mates; and on balance he chose well, so there's that.
I'm not surprised that homosexuals have taken over fashion. I haven't liked a design for polo shirts for about thirty years. LL Bean had some good-looking polo shirts in the mid-1990s but they don't sell the design any longer.
If you want good comfortable polo shirts these days, the golf designers are the way to go: Walter Hagan, Greg Norman, etc. I also really like Tommy Bahama.
Mr. Sailer, you fooled me. I thought the redhead was a lovely woman at first. It is sad that he/she/it disgusts me.
Pretty weird all right!
I knew he was a man. Uber feminine gay young man.
I don't get it. I know precisely one man who likes skinny women (he's a Middle Eastern tomcat). Every other male friend, family and acquaintance I know prefers women with healthy bodyweights. Are celebrity women that bullied by their gay male friends? Dear God please bring back the 1980s. It was the last decade when white men and women were healthy and happy and loved each other.
Yup, this discussion has been done on the internet a gazillion times. Most men don't lust after concentration camp survivors--> shut up, we aren't trying to look good for men, conceited much?
I've also participated in a conversation with a friend's girlfriend (now wife) that we swear to god not all men are into large breasts. I know, it sounds like a lie, but we weren't trying to make her feel better.
Large breasts are great on your first girlfriend, when you're teenagers. Diminishing returns set in hard thereafter. In this as in so many aspects of life, adequacy is underrated.
This comment is hilarious. I don't feel it; to me it's like standup comedy from a foreign country. But I still recognize.
"I've also participated in a conversation with a friend's girlfriend (now wife) that we swear to god not all men are into large breasts. I know, it sounds like a lie, but we weren't trying to make her feel better."
Lol, I knew someone in the discussion would eventually hone in on women's breasts, and Erik takes first prize 6 comments in!
And I'm not even a breast man! I often feel like I'm on the outside looking in.
I don’t think it is about skinny vs healthy. I think it’s a battle between young and middle aged women. Women over 30 or 35 know they are in a losing battle and want to stay beautiful longer. notice how skinny most aging starlets become trying desperately to compete with the next it girls.
Supposedly Catherine Deneuve deliberately put on 10 pounds as she aged to fill out her face. What looks wispy and lithe when you're young just looks skeletal when your old. Somebody posted recent pics of Demi Moore and Brooke Shields and they look awful. I think people get obsessed with getting back the lean flat bellies they had in youth.
Ariana Grande is 31 and they've already gotten to her. Shes's lost all her color and curves.
The problem is that after 25 or so your subcutaneous fat starts to lose structure and tightness. That's fine for another ten years at least, unless you want to be in front of the camera and go sleeveless.
I was struck by one season of 'Friends' when Courtney Cox and Jennifer Aniston returned ten or twenty pounds (eh who knows) lighter. At some point a young actress gets less young and has to choose between face looking young and keeping unbroken body contours.
Based on extensive wasted internet time, I have determined 38 is the average age at which a pretty woman realizes that men in their forties dating women in their twenties is essentially pedophilia.
Trump is the excuse to return to normal. I hope my local Dick’s Sporting Goods gets the message and tosses the overweight female mannequins. Only the female mannequins:)
No one ever talked about how none of the men’s publications/websites had fat male models. Would’ve looked utterly ridiculous, wouldn’t it have? Even though many thought so, no one had the guts to point out how ridiculous it looked for women, as well.
When I was young and fatter I had to shop at the Big and Tall. I expressed my hypothesis to the owner, that the reason thin men looked better in suits than large men (in this case I swear a mix of fat and extreme muscle bulk) was because suits were designed specifically for thin men to make up for their deficiencies, the formed shoulder, the artificial V and all that.
Nah, he said, skinny guys just always look better.
I think the left is just fatigued from having to resist Trump on every turn. Insisting fat bodies were desirable finally exhausted them, because even they knew how preposterous a stance it was.
God help me but I ended up in a group chat with a lot of young women for the last few years. They all hated fat models. They all admired Vlada Rroslyakova, a model from almost 20 years ago who was 5 foot 10 and like 110 pounds.
No one wants to be fat and most don’t find fat attractive. Almost every single person looks better thinner. All this body diversity and fat positivity was just trying to get fatties more dates by trying to brainwash people into liking fat people. It didn’t work and now we’re back to thinner is better.
Personally I prefer the sporty Baywatch bodies of the 90s and the 90s supermodels where thin but not skinny.
Steve, this article might be up your alley. The Free Press located James Damore, many years after his famous firing from Google. He couldn’t find another job anywhere in the US. He found work at a company he won’t name, in Europe. He’s living in Luxembourg.
https://www.thefp.com/p/google-memo-james-damore-vindication-trump-musk
This makes me so angry. People ruined his life and wanted him relegated to a life of poverty for violating a taboo. Meanwhile you can violate laws with impunity.
"Similarly, the NBA has player quotas for short Jewish guys so it can relate to all types of their customer base."
Had I but known! How different my life would be!
Jewish basketball players went out with Danny Schayes and Howard Komives.
If only the Chicago Bulls had managed to sign that elderly Jewish woman they were recruiting to play power forward, they would be dominating their conference.
Too bad they got stuck with an athletic young black man instead.
"so all the rage expressed by women writers in the New York Times who aren’t fashion models had to be directed at “white men” for preferring models who look like concentration camp survivors."
Who said anything about 'survivors'?
If 'Sex and the City' can be trusted for accuracy, there is a type of man in Manhattan who only dates models. I suppose if you were an attractive female writer trying to date in Manhattan, it might elicit some rage.
Great subject and post. There is something to the idea that the swing has something to do with changing politics. The last five years have been dominated by conferring status on society’s losers and outliers, so naturally we were also gaslit about what is beautiful. MAGA is about restoration and winning, so it’s reverted back to women and looks that high status men traditionally have hanging about.
I personally prefer women with athletic figures so scrawny and underfed types were never all that attractive to me, but at least that requires a kind of discipline as opposed to those who are sedentary other than when walking to the fridge.
"As Ms. Taymour said, there’s a good business case to be made for demonstrating clearly that you “relate to all types of your customer base,” including all sizes."
Indeed, the case is so good that Victoria's Secret cut their profit in half when they tried it. Also their spokesperson was the very difficult to like Megan Rapinoe, the Dylan Mulvaney of the lingerie industry.
The real question is not whether males (or others) prefer absurdly thin models to not so thin models (to betray my age, I preferred Ann-Margaret to Twiggy, but both were more than adequate). It is more the case that recently we have been force-fed a diet (pun intended) of extremely ugly and obese models. It was like the left was spitting in our collective faces, saying (which someone that Sailer quoted did say above) that we are re-defining what attractiveness means. To say the least, that emperor is not wearing any clothes, and, since he/she/it is fat and ugly, I prefer clothes to be worn and those wearing them kept out of my line of vision.
The Red Scare ladies explained the physiognomy of models as follows:
-very tall
-long necks and narrow heads so the camera doesn’t focus on their heads
-very low BMI but wide hips as, well, they are modelling female clothing
The above is all so that the eye is drawn to the features of the clothing, not the wearer. At the end of the day the customer is supposed to buy the garment.
This phenotype is perhaps 0.1% of the population. There is zero crossover with similarly rare WNBA phenotype for example because those ladies all have muscular legs and arms.
Fashion modelling is one of the few careers where women earn multiples of what men do. The only male model I can name is Derek Zoolander, and he was a parody character from a movie 20 years ago.
It’s always been a puzzle to me why women, and not just feminists, never seem to even notice the shattering of the glass ceiling in this profession, and instead obsess over how the crumbs are distributed.
Yeah I think the thinness of models is about allowing fabric to drape and swish elegantly, it's not really a preference for the body type underneath at all. Very thin and very tall is best for this effect.
Thanks. You explained it better than this straight male possibly could.
My high school year had two straight guys in it who went on to have very successful careers, one in choreography and the other on the marketing side of female beauty products.
Neither of them are super high IQ but both had a good work ethic and winning personalities. But I think another big factor was that they were straight men in the world of girls and gays. I think this made it more easy for them to organically take on leadership roles.
The founder of Lululemon was a straight guy who devoted his career to putting women into ever tighter pants.
This topic is only indirectly interesting, in that I never really followed the female fashion industry, except rarely in passing if it was a topic in any TV show or newspaper/magazine article. As an adolescent lad, I only focused on hard news and sports related 'zines such as US News and World Report, Scientific American, Outside, Field and Stream, Guns and Ammo, Sports Illustrated, The Sporting News, The Baseball Almanac, and the like.
I think I can speak for millions of my fellow adolescent heterosexual males and state we almost always preferred the models in Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition, Playboy and Penthouse to anything on display in the Garment District of New York City.
However, I do realize that President Trump does prefer the fashion ladies as his mates; and on balance he chose well, so there's that.
Sure. Give me the Girls of Kokomo anytime over Kate Moth and the like.
I'm not surprised that homosexuals have taken over fashion. I haven't liked a design for polo shirts for about thirty years. LL Bean had some good-looking polo shirts in the mid-1990s but they don't sell the design any longer.
If you want good comfortable polo shirts these days, the golf designers are the way to go: Walter Hagan, Greg Norman, etc. I also really like Tommy Bahama.
IDK, with inflation and budgets being what they are, it's time for everyone to slim down.