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Jeff's avatar

The greatest game 7 in my lifetime, for certain. Miggy Ro's savior catch was amazing. Yamamoto is a sick, sick, insane man and I love him very much for it. A double play like that to end the game, wow. Right before that I saw Kershaw warming up, too.

Hopefully the Yankees will cast Aaron Boone into outer darkness and we can finally be a good team again.

Congratulations all around.

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YojimboZatoichi's avatar

That's one way you can tell that the Steinbrenners aren't half the patch of their deceased patriarch. If he were still around, do you really think that George would've allowed Aaron Boone to manage the Yankees for this long? Look how many times he canned Billy Martin, and for far less.

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Rowan Salton's avatar

C'mon, the Yankees are definitely a good team.

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Jeff's avatar

Well, yeah, certainly, but the bar is higher when you've got 27 pennants.

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ScarletNumber's avatar

The last time the Yankees won a game 7 in any series, do you want to guess who had the game-winning RBI?

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Stefan Grossman's avatar

Yes, incredible that Boone continues to manage the Yankees. Without Aaron Judge to save him, people might understand how bad the team's fundamentals are.

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E. H. Hail's avatar

"Yamamoto is a sick, sick, insane man and I love him very much for it"

Is there something I don't know about Yamamoto or is "sick, insane" just a way of saying he's a rare talent and highly skilled?

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Jeff's avatar

The latter, certainly. No normal man throws 96 pitches, walks into coach's office the next morning and says "Hey boss, happy to pitch today if you want me to," much less actually does it and does it spectacularly.

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Danfromdc's avatar

Great series. Best I’ve ever seen. You mentioned the 1975 series (Red Sox- Reds) possibly being better. But did it even have half as many dramatic plays as this one? I doubt it. Toronto was one of the best World Series teams I’ve ever seen. And they lost. That’s gotta hurt. Why didn’t Kiner-Falifa have a secondary lead? He was right next to bag. Big mistake.

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ScarletNumber's avatar

More importantly, why did he slide? 🤔

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Danfromdc's avatar

Yes, but that was somewhat understandable. Head first slide, maybe get him there or even running through the bag maybe. But he should’ve been much much further down the line.

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Dave's avatar

At a full sprint, you can miss home plate if you don't slide because you have to time your last stride to land on home plate while running through. So a slide guarantees you touch home plate even if it might slow you down a bit.

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MG's avatar

The Jays just couldn’t scratch across a couple runs in the last few games when they needed it. I mean cmon, they had 14 hits and left 14 on base in game 7!!

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Boulevardier's avatar

This is exactly what I said to my semi-interested wife last night. My son played on a team that did this all the time, which led to a lot of games we lost by three runs or less.

Anyway, it was a great series and Yamamoto was fantastic.

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KM's avatar

As a long-time Yankee hater, I'd go with the Diamondbacks over the Yanks in 2001. Down 2-1 in the 9th, Arizona scored two runs off Mariano Rivera to win the Series.

There's also the Cubs winning in extra innings in 2016.

But surely Pages's catch will go down as one of the all-time great defensive plays in the ultimate do-or-die situation.

I should've been rooting against the Dodgers and their massive payroll, but it's too hard to root against Shohei Ohtani and his completely unprecedented career.

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YojimboZatoichi's avatar

Not entirely unprecedented (e.g. Babe Ruth, who did several things first)

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KM's avatar

Ruth never had quite as much pitching and batting success simultaneously.

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YojimboZatoichi's avatar

Uh, yes he did. For his era. Keep in mind that he began his career at the tail end of the Dead Ball Era--so anyone that hit ca. 6-9 HRs in a season usually lead the league in HRs. The fact that he wasn't an everyday player, and was still among the leaders in HRs in the AL is most impressive. When he shifted to everyday playing, he out homered entire clubs total HR production.

Starting in the 20's and continuing to today, MLB began shortening their ballparks' fences, power alleys, and of course introduced a livelier ball, to help increase HR production. All these things can be directly placed at the feet of a specific player--Babe Ruth.

When Ohtani burst onto the scene, which historical MLB player was he made direct comparisons to?

MLB really doesn't give Babe Ruth the credit for having revolutionized the sport as a whole (the way that they used to)

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KM's avatar

Ruth certainly revolutionized the game. Probably more so than any player in any sport. (Maybe Wilt Chamberlain would be in that conversation.)

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YojimboZatoichi's avatar

Amen

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ScarletNumber's avatar

Before Wilt the NBA key was the same as the college one at 12 feet; now it is 16 feet. The funny thing is that to look less foreign FIBA has adopted the NBA key for international play rather than the trapezoid they used to have. The WNBA also uses the NBA key* but college and high school are holding firm at 12.

Wilt would also dunk the basketball on a free-throw attempt, which was made explicitly illegal because of him.

* For those wondering why it is called a key in the first place, when basketball first started it was only six-feet wide, but George Mikan caused the width to be increased to 12

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Craig in Maine's avatar

I think the Dodgers’ payroll is similar to the national debt…the numbers are so large they have become meaningless. If you forget to pay a $500 million dollar player a million dollar payment, do they even notice?

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YojimboZatoichi's avatar

The player probably notices if the club skips his payments (and will take it up with the MLBPA).

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Red's avatar

Game 6 in 1985 was the famous Don Denkinger call allowing the Royals to beat the Cards. Then Game 7 was the rout to end all routs.

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FPD72's avatar

I thought game six of the 1975 WS was the greatest series game I had watched. It was capped by Fisk’s waving the ball fair in the 12th inning. The Sox were out of pitching and lost game 7.

Andy Pages’ catch to put the game into extra innings was one of most clutch plays I’ve ever seen. Too bad he wasn’t playing right field for the Rangers in game six against the Cardinals. Even David Freeze admits that it should have been a routine catch for Cruz.

As a then Yankee fan, Mazeroski’s homer broke my heart and my wallet. I’d bet my dad 25 cents (my weekly allowance) on the game.

I can’t think of a more dramatic game 7 than last night. The 9th inning dramatics put the game over the top for excitement for me, for whom the Dodgers are my number two team behind the Rangers.

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Red's avatar

Thanks for bringing up Cruz. I was thinking Pages did the exact opposite of him

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Craig in Maine's avatar

I was delighted the Dodgers’ bats finally ignited to snatch the 7th game win, but felt sympathy for the Toronto players and especially their fans who all seemed very nice.

It took seven tries, but finally they found two singers who each knew how to sing their national anthems.

Rojas’ homer was a shocker, and Will Smith must be every Dodgers’ favorite Dodger, despite his lack of jewelry and tattoos.

I waited in vain for the girl behind the umpire to fully remove her top in search of lasting fame.

Compared to previous World Series? I think the roller coaster nature of several of the games; the active managing touch required; the use of much of the roster; the number of unusual and close plays make this one of the most exciting series I can recall.

(and I can recall the 1955 Dodgers victory!)

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ScarletNumber's avatar

Someone named Will Smith has now been on 6 consecutive World Series winners

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YojimboZatoichi's avatar

"1991 (the Jack Morris Game: Twins 1-0 over Braves in 10 innings)"

And Game 7 of the 1962 WS, with NYY P Ralph Terry pitching a 1-0 complete game, having to fend off a late rally in the bottom of the 9th by SFG (the final out being immortalized in Peanuts comic strip, where CB wails to the skies "Oh Willie, why couldn't you have hit the ball further to the left?")

Re: great game 6's, how could you have forgotten 1975, with HOF C Carlton Fisk's HR in the 12th inning? For the longest time, that specific game 6 was considered one of the all time greatest game 6's in a WS?

This is the first time in BRK/LA history that they've won back to back WS, btw.

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Steve Sailer's avatar

The Carton Fisk Game in 1975, #6 a 7-6 stay-alive win for the Red Sox in 12, remains a strong candidate for best World Series game ever. It was then followed by a hard fought 4-3 Reds win in the 9th inning of the 7th game. Combined with 3 other 1-run games, that puts the 1975 World Series into the Top 5 ever.

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YojimboZatoichi's avatar

Absolutely. It's most likely the greatest game 6 ever of a WS, BUT...it's still only game 6. 1975 WS's game 7 is fine enough, but it's not the greatest ever game 7 by a long shot. After all, the 1971 and 1972 WS were just as hard fought and had spectacular game 7's along the same line as 1975 WS game 7 (both game 7's of 71 & 72 WS were decided by a single run). Also throwing in the 1962 WS game 7, with final score 1-0, with Ralph Terry pitching a complete game in SF's Candlestick Park with a 9th inning rally by SF (winning run on 2nd, tying run on 3rd), and HOF SF 1B Willie McCovey recording the final out.

So at this time, the greatest ever game 7 of a MLB WS remains the 1960 WS, with the greatest ever walk off HR in MLB history. Can't get more clutch than that--winning a championship in game 7, bottom of the 9th.

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Rowan Salton's avatar

One of the greatest for sure. 2001 when Arizona won game 7 on Luis Gonzalez' walk off blooper off of Mariano Rivera was a great one. 2011 with the crazy game 6 where Texas was a strike away two different times, but the Cardinals came back both times, won game 6 and then game 7. The Dodgers win over the Rays a few years back also comes to mind.

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ScarletNumber's avatar

I wasn't alive and Steve wasn't old enough to remember, but the last time the Yankees won game 7 of the World Series* was 1962 in San Francisco when the Giants had runners on 2nd and 3rd with two outs down 1-0 and Willie McCovey lined out to Bobby Richardson at 2nd base to end the game. The previous batter Willie Mays had doubled to right but Roger Maris kept Matty Alou at third to preserve the lead.

So if we are taking an informal poll, I will vote for 1962 despite my age, with the greatest game 7 I ever witnessed being 1991, which singlehandedly got Jack Morris into the Hall of Fame, albeit 27 years later. For whatever reason sabermetricians hate Morris with the writers following along, so the Modern Baseball Era Committee had to be assembled to do so; the writers never gave him more than 67 percent of the vote (with 75 percent needed for election).

*The last time they won game 7 of any stripe was the 2003 ALCS against the Red Sox which ended on an Aaron Boone home run

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Steve Campbell's avatar

That one broke my teenage heart. What a great Giants team that didn’t win.

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ScarletNumber's avatar

Wow, then add in the fact that they had to literally wait 45+ more years to finally win one...

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Steve Campbell's avatar

I lost interest. Eventually became a sorta Mariners fan. After 2001 I gave up on watching baseball on TV until this season. This playoff season was special.

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Steve Sailer's avatar

The Giants took the lead in recruiting in Puerto Rico (Cepeda) and, especially, the mother lode, the Dominican Republic (Juan Marichal and the three Alous), to add on to their strong scouting of African Americans like Mays and McCovey in the 1940s-1950s.

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Steve Sailer's avatar

The 1962 Yankees-Giants World Series is weirdly forgotten, likely due to a lot of rainouts in both cities diminishing excitement. The last two plays are memorable. With the Yankees winning 1-0 in the bottom of the 9th and two outs and a runner on first, Willie Mays doubles to right, but Roger Maris's arm intimidates the Giant runners in stopping at 2nd and third. You now have Willie Mays as the winning run at second and two Hall of Famers coming up: Willie McCovey and Orlando Cepeda. Do you walk McCovey to set up a force at every base? Instead, the Yankees pitch to McCovey who rips a line drive over second baseman Bobby Richardson's head, but Richardson leaps and snags it for the final out. 18 inches higher and we would have seen Maris try to throw out Mays at the plate to extend the game into extra innings.

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Uther's avatar

Richardson never left the ground, it was right to him. 18 inches higher and he would have just had to stick his arm up a little.

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ScarletNumber's avatar

The funny thing is that the Giants and Dodgers tied for the pennant that year, which necessitated a three-game playoff on Monday in San Francisco and Tuesday/Wednesday in Los Angeles. Amazingly none of these games were sellouts as they drew 32.7K, 25.3K, and 45.7K respectively. Because the NL had home-field advantage the Yankees had to rest their heels to find out where to fly for Thursday's Game 1. It helped that the Giants had Candlestick Park all to themselves, not only for scheduling purposes but for field conditions.

As for McCovey's at bat, the ultimate result upset Charlie Brown a great deal, as he lamented to Linus in two separate editions of Peanuts

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William Stroock's avatar

The best game I've seen in a while. Thrilling game 6 and game 7. The Blue Jays were just unlucky in both. That's baseball, Susan.

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AnotherDad's avatar

Demographics rules.

The Latins seem to like baseball back home. As in there are lots of Latin players--though more mulattos from the islands, than mestizos from Central America. But do Latinos in the US--especially young ones--care at all? Or are baseball fans now all just a bunch of old white guys?

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Drew S.'s avatar

As a White Sox fan, we always play second fiddle to the Cubs.

But Wrigley Field is so expensive and inaccessible on a week Kent that you rarely see families. It’s Date Night and/or a tourist attraction.

I sit in the upper deck of Sox Park a lot. It’s inexpensive. And the upper deck is majority Latino families. I like it up there. And the White Sox will benefit from this in the demographic shifts to come.

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ScarletNumber's avatar

The front row of the upper deck at U.S. Cellular Field is higher than the back row of the upper deck of Comiskey Park

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Drew S.'s avatar

Further away, too. I’m aware.

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Steve Sailer's avatar

Is the upper deck at New Comiskey or whatever they call it now still as terrifyingly vertical as when it opened in 1991? I can recall worrying that while climbing down the staircase that if I lost my grip on my toddler that he might roll down the staircase and bounce into the next deck.

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ScarletNumber's avatar

U.S. Cellular Field (1991) was modeled after Renovated Yankee Stadium (1976), not realizing that the Yankees were forced to have a tall and steep upper deck due to the lack of available footprint around the stadium. USC Field had the same steep pitch and exposed ribs due to adopting this unnecessary constraint.

The White Sox finally learned their lesson by 2004, removing enough seats in the upper deck to reduce capacity to 40.6K from 47.1K. They also made the park less symmetrical; if you notice the Blue Jays did this to SkyDome as well as the park you saw this weekend looks markedly different than the one featured in the 92 and 93 World Series

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Steve Sailer's avatar

The Dodgers have been popular with Mexican-Americans ever since they moved to L.A.

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PE Bird's avatar
17hEdited

Yamamoto pitching 2 plus innings after winning Game 6, crazy. Heard he said in the clubhouse late last night (early this morning) "Guys, I can't pitch tomorrow."

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Diana (Somewhere in Maryland)'s avatar

I think Steve is sad it is over. That is what I think.

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RevelinConcentration's avatar

I watched the game overseas staying up til 6 am. So make what you will of some guy watching alone in the dark, but the game seemed muted. I think we had a second rate broadcast as the announcers weren’t very good and the crowd seemed to lack that tense energy. Im guessing the sound was muted. Also It’s always better if the home team wins for us casual fans. Only game I watched all year. That being said, it’s probably the best game seven ever. Take out the nostalgia.

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Drew S.'s avatar

Yamamoto throwing a complete game and pitching relief in the finale with 0 days rest. Japanese doing work that Americans just won’t do anymore.

Baseball has kinda lost me with the diminished role of starting pitchers, all the strikeouts, and the browbeating from the stats guys. And this, coming from a guy who spent forty years playing and coaching the sport at a very high level.

But, damn, that series was fun to watch.

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