Took the assistant principal at my Detroit junior high school displaying for my mother the sharpened screwdrivers, brass knuckles, and other weapons confiscated from fellow 8th graders of darker persuasion on the occasion of my 3rd suspension for fighting (back). Two months later, returning from an early and extended "summer vacation" with my grandparents in Florida, I found my new address and school for "Grade 9" were now in Canada. It takes some people longer than others...
We learned that once you become the personification of society's racial sin, you can't get a fair trial and the good and just and powerful will think that's just swell.
If they cry "per capita" on the black deaths by cop on your last graph, they have to confront the black deaths by blacks per capita, as if it isn't bad enough as shown. There are so many examples of focusing on small problems to ignore massive ones, such as black violent crime and Federal debt. Hard to believe we have a free press.
When we visited China some years ago, we had a choice of two English language news TV channels; the one operated by the Chinese Communist Party, and CNN International.
The former was much less biased and hostile to our country than the latter.
The national debt and budget deficits have filled the news the last few days. The issue is that no one cares and just wants their benefits from the government while cutting spending on others.
It would appear that the "free press" needs adult supervision, but that amounts to authoritarian rule, which in itself does not guarantee adult supervision. The anti-facist side of the coin is that the public needs upgrading, but the public has always needed upgrading. Among other things, I think of the Athenian democracy sending into exile the leader who helped save Athens from Persian conquest.
"The Post lets you look at Under 18 or 18 to 29, so I’ll look at 29 and Under: 88.8 percent of younger black males were armed or carrying a replica weapon versus 87.9 percent of younger white males.
“'Another way of putting it is, if someone is unarmed and shot, they are most likely to be a young Black man,' Clark says.'"
If I understand that correctly, virtually the same number of young whites as blacks were armed or carrying a replica weapon when shot, but the inference drawn is that if someone is unarmed and shot he is most likely to be black. What am I missing?
"If I understand that correctly, virtually the same number of young whites as blacks were armed or carrying a replica weapon when shot, but the inference drawn is that if someone is unarmed and shot he is most likely to be black. What am I missing?"
You're not missing anything, that was Steve's point: that the Clark guy is wrong because the data shows no disparity on that issue.
"Burn After Reading" is such a great movie. I went to see it in the theater 20 years ago and had no idea what I was going to see and my wife and I laughed all night long.
"He's trying to escape to Venezuela because we don't have an extradition treaty with Venezuela."
Worth recalling that the push for body cameras was to uncover the massive wrongful use of force by cops. The move from competing "he said/he said" accounts to "the cop's version is backed up by the video and audio" was Not The Plan.
I seem to recall that when the Post's figures on "unarmed" black men killed by cops were examined, something like 80% of them the deceased was physically or verbally threatening someone present at the scene before getting shot. In other words, the number of unarmed blacks shot by cops who were innocently minding their business is incredibly low, the idea that it's a problem is an outrageous astroturfed lie.
Having lived in a majority black city with a heavily black police force, my impression is that those that take being cops seriously really, really don't like ghetto blacks. Whereas the white cops are a bit more concerned about the optics and what might go down with them getting aggressive, the black cops don't care about that at all. When we had an incident in which a white neighbor was in a confrontation with some "youths" and the cops showed up, the white cop was visibly nervous about having a couple dozen blacks keenly watching what was going on whereas one of the black cops said out loud "these people are animals" and the other one agreed. The open disdain was apparent in every bit of the interaction.
At any rate, the bigger issue is that people of all stripes notice patterns and blacks simply don't get the benefit of the doubt from anyone other than delusional white progressives. That might not be fair to a lot of the black population, but a big part of the reason why so many lower class blacks engage in massively anti-social behavior is that the rest of their cohort really does little or nothing to penalize them for it. If that changed, I suspect we'd see a noticeable dent in things like violent crime, out of wedlock births, etc. It would still be high compared to everyone else, but the incremental difference in death and economic impact would be significant. Alas, almost no one with a high public profile seems to have to courage to suggest that if blacks engaged in a bit more self-policing the broader community's quality of life would probably increase quite a bit.
My own experience with getting mugged in "a majority black city with a heavily black police force" was that when the black cops showed up they asked me why I didn't fight back. I was too flummoxed to try to explain "optics" or anything, so they just took a report and ended with something like, "Next time be armed." Illegal in that city, but whatever. Lol.
It's a tough call about fighting back these days because the odds are way higher they have a gun. When I lived in the afore-mentioned city like 20 years ago I fought back both times someone tried to mug me - the first time the youths just seemed surprised that after surprising and knocking me down that I got up and was like "let's go" and just ran away, and the second time it was just one scholar who I got onto the ground and locked up* while someone called the cops, who were really pumped when they got there and found out what happened. Now that I'm older I probably wouldn't do the same thing but frankly both times I was so pissed that I didn't really think about what I was doing. When I told my parents about the 2nd incident they were like "are out of your mind?", lol.
* this was long before George Floyd but the "I can't breathe" trick was tried after it was clear they were not getting away and attempts to bite me failed, and I indicated with some vivid language that being choked out was coming next if I didn't get total cooperation. I am not a fighter by any means, but I had reached my limit with the casual opportunistic violence that permeates places like this.
Given the reliance of progressive types on mere statistical differences, their most obvious conclusion should be that cops don't hate blacks, they hate men.
Very unlikely. Jewish "oppression" in America--WASPs wanting to golf and socialize with some peace and quiet, Harvard quotas--while exciting to many Jews' "woe is we" tribalism were/are just far too trivial to for anyone but Jews to take seriously.
So the entire edifice of minoritarianism--which now involves millions of iron rice bowls--is based on "oppressed blacks".
"Blacks!" are where the minoritarian propagandists found the narrative that could reach and tap white "fair play" gentiles, create a new definition of virtue and co-opt them against their own people, their own nation, their own interest. Indian oppression--*natives* losing their territory, suffering genocide and the destruction of their nations by foreign invaders--while far more serious is way, way "off message". Since the actual historical black oppression--slavery, Jim Crow--is slipping further and further into the past, phony "system racism" must be continually ginned up to buttress the minoritarian narrative.
Probably the "police oppression" thing is tapped out for really hard milking--in the short term, the next decade or so. And long term in our Latino-izing--"slumping toward Brazil"--America blacks are not going to get the same kid glove treatment as they've received as the goto for propagandizing good whites. But mining the "oppressed blacks!" coal seam isn't going to go away anytime so. Too much of the Parasite Party narrative and electoral glue is wrapped up in it.
> There’s a common bit of verbal sleight of hand using the term “violent criminal” to minimize exactly how much more likely young blacks are to pull out a piece and start shooting: “Violent criminals” include a lot of bar brawlers and wife beaters of all races, but shooters tend to be very black. At the peak of the racial reckoning in 2021, the FBI reported that 60.4 percent of known murder offenders were black, and the CDC reported that 55.0 percent of homicide victims were black.<
Well said Steve. "Verbal slight of hand" is polite. These social "scientists" are purposefully *lying* to propagandize the minoritarian narrative. Much like all the lying from Stephen J. Gould type anti-biology "biologists" and the similar cabal of anti-biology "psychologists". None of these people are scientists, they are political propagandists.
All that's necessary to establish the fundamental fraud here is that while blacks account for near 30% of police shootings--about twice their population share--they account for 60% of the homicides. It is "shots fired" that brings out cops ready to draw and fire on armed suspects. Blacks are actually "undershot" by police.
>So why do the cops kill 4.5 times as great a percentage of white male victims of violent death than of black male victims of violent death?
I don’t think it’s racist. I think it’s just more likely that whites (and Hispanics) engage in suicide by cop more than do blacks.<
Steve, while "suicide by cop" is a factor, I don't think it is the main factor.
I think the main factor is very different white and black cultures.
The black asshole is simply much more likely to get away. Not be named or adequately described by his fellow blacks who witness the shooting. Much more likely to have gangbanger friends who stick with him. Much easier for him to "fade into the background"--of a neighborhood full of other low-life thugs.
In contrast, when a white guy starts shooting people, the witnesses will describe him to police. He's less likely to be in a gang and much more likely to be a lone wolf. And once he gets shooty, his low-life friend's are much more likely to think he's out of line and ditch him--"I want no part of that shit". When some white asshole turns say a barfight into a shooting, the cops will get "Yeah, It was that dumbshit hothead Danny. He was wearing a jack over a red sweatshirt. He drives an old beat, blue Honda. He peeled out of here and headed north on 417. He lives in that old house--the one with blue trim--where County Line hits Oak Street."
The other factor--which the authors do note--is that the white guy is much less likely to live and get shooty in a big city where the cops encounter lots more shootings and have training and procedures for "de-escalation". When Danny pulls the first shooting of the year in the county and the cops catch up with him and he's dumb enough to still have a gun ... bang, bang, bang, bang. Problem solved.
Noted character actor David Rasche played Palmer DeBakey Smith but he is probably best known for his role as Sledge Hammer in the eponymous 1986 ABC sitcom
Sounds like some writers need Diversity, good and hard.
Matt Yglesias was mugged in DC on the way home from Megan McArdle’s house. He hasn’t modified his positions at all. Not publically, at least.
Maybe he needs more than one mugging.
Took the assistant principal at my Detroit junior high school displaying for my mother the sharpened screwdrivers, brass knuckles, and other weapons confiscated from fellow 8th graders of darker persuasion on the occasion of my 3rd suspension for fighting (back). Two months later, returning from an early and extended "summer vacation" with my grandparents in Florida, I found my new address and school for "Grade 9" were now in Canada. It takes some people longer than others...
We learned that once you become the personification of society's racial sin, you can't get a fair trial and the good and just and powerful will think that's just swell.
If they cry "per capita" on the black deaths by cop on your last graph, they have to confront the black deaths by blacks per capita, as if it isn't bad enough as shown. There are so many examples of focusing on small problems to ignore massive ones, such as black violent crime and Federal debt. Hard to believe we have a free press.
Might as well not have a free press. I’m not exaggerating when I say that Pravda was a better source of information than the present western press.
When we visited China some years ago, we had a choice of two English language news TV channels; the one operated by the Chinese Communist Party, and CNN International.
The former was much less biased and hostile to our country than the latter.
The national debt and budget deficits have filled the news the last few days. The issue is that no one cares and just wants their benefits from the government while cutting spending on others.
It would appear that the "free press" needs adult supervision, but that amounts to authoritarian rule, which in itself does not guarantee adult supervision. The anti-facist side of the coin is that the public needs upgrading, but the public has always needed upgrading. Among other things, I think of the Athenian democracy sending into exile the leader who helped save Athens from Persian conquest.
I am confused by the following in your article:
"The Post lets you look at Under 18 or 18 to 29, so I’ll look at 29 and Under: 88.8 percent of younger black males were armed or carrying a replica weapon versus 87.9 percent of younger white males.
“'Another way of putting it is, if someone is unarmed and shot, they are most likely to be a young Black man,' Clark says.'"
If I understand that correctly, virtually the same number of young whites as blacks were armed or carrying a replica weapon when shot, but the inference drawn is that if someone is unarmed and shot he is most likely to be black. What am I missing?
The same percentages does not mean the same number of individuals. The percentages come out of different populations.
Young white guys carry pocket knives, young black guys carry stolen handguns.
"If I understand that correctly, virtually the same number of young whites as blacks were armed or carrying a replica weapon when shot, but the inference drawn is that if someone is unarmed and shot he is most likely to be black. What am I missing?"
You're not missing anything, that was Steve's point: that the Clark guy is wrong because the data shows no disparity on that issue.
Thanks, I read that before having my coffee.
"Burn After Reading" is such a great movie. I went to see it in the theater 20 years ago and had no idea what I was going to see and my wife and I laughed all night long.
"He's trying to escape to Venezuela because we don't have an extradition treaty with Venezuela."
"So what do we do?"
".... FOR FUCKSAKE LET HIM GO!"
Inspector Harry Callahan of San Francisco killed at least twenty punks in the 70s alone.
Sure seems like the ubiquity of police body cams has had a big impact on the number of claims of police misconduct.
Worth recalling that the push for body cameras was to uncover the massive wrongful use of force by cops. The move from competing "he said/he said" accounts to "the cop's version is backed up by the video and audio" was Not The Plan.
I seem to recall that when the Post's figures on "unarmed" black men killed by cops were examined, something like 80% of them the deceased was physically or verbally threatening someone present at the scene before getting shot. In other words, the number of unarmed blacks shot by cops who were innocently minding their business is incredibly low, the idea that it's a problem is an outrageous astroturfed lie.
Having lived in a majority black city with a heavily black police force, my impression is that those that take being cops seriously really, really don't like ghetto blacks. Whereas the white cops are a bit more concerned about the optics and what might go down with them getting aggressive, the black cops don't care about that at all. When we had an incident in which a white neighbor was in a confrontation with some "youths" and the cops showed up, the white cop was visibly nervous about having a couple dozen blacks keenly watching what was going on whereas one of the black cops said out loud "these people are animals" and the other one agreed. The open disdain was apparent in every bit of the interaction.
At any rate, the bigger issue is that people of all stripes notice patterns and blacks simply don't get the benefit of the doubt from anyone other than delusional white progressives. That might not be fair to a lot of the black population, but a big part of the reason why so many lower class blacks engage in massively anti-social behavior is that the rest of their cohort really does little or nothing to penalize them for it. If that changed, I suspect we'd see a noticeable dent in things like violent crime, out of wedlock births, etc. It would still be high compared to everyone else, but the incremental difference in death and economic impact would be significant. Alas, almost no one with a high public profile seems to have to courage to suggest that if blacks engaged in a bit more self-policing the broader community's quality of life would probably increase quite a bit.
My own experience with getting mugged in "a majority black city with a heavily black police force" was that when the black cops showed up they asked me why I didn't fight back. I was too flummoxed to try to explain "optics" or anything, so they just took a report and ended with something like, "Next time be armed." Illegal in that city, but whatever. Lol.
It's a tough call about fighting back these days because the odds are way higher they have a gun. When I lived in the afore-mentioned city like 20 years ago I fought back both times someone tried to mug me - the first time the youths just seemed surprised that after surprising and knocking me down that I got up and was like "let's go" and just ran away, and the second time it was just one scholar who I got onto the ground and locked up* while someone called the cops, who were really pumped when they got there and found out what happened. Now that I'm older I probably wouldn't do the same thing but frankly both times I was so pissed that I didn't really think about what I was doing. When I told my parents about the 2nd incident they were like "are out of your mind?", lol.
* this was long before George Floyd but the "I can't breathe" trick was tried after it was clear they were not getting away and attempts to bite me failed, and I indicated with some vivid language that being choked out was coming next if I didn't get total cooperation. I am not a fighter by any means, but I had reached my limit with the casual opportunistic violence that permeates places like this.
"more shooty" lol
Given the reliance of progressive types on mere statistical differences, their most obvious conclusion should be that cops don't hate blacks, they hate men.
>I guess we learned not to do it again.<
Very unlikely. Jewish "oppression" in America--WASPs wanting to golf and socialize with some peace and quiet, Harvard quotas--while exciting to many Jews' "woe is we" tribalism were/are just far too trivial to for anyone but Jews to take seriously.
So the entire edifice of minoritarianism--which now involves millions of iron rice bowls--is based on "oppressed blacks".
"Blacks!" are where the minoritarian propagandists found the narrative that could reach and tap white "fair play" gentiles, create a new definition of virtue and co-opt them against their own people, their own nation, their own interest. Indian oppression--*natives* losing their territory, suffering genocide and the destruction of their nations by foreign invaders--while far more serious is way, way "off message". Since the actual historical black oppression--slavery, Jim Crow--is slipping further and further into the past, phony "system racism" must be continually ginned up to buttress the minoritarian narrative.
Probably the "police oppression" thing is tapped out for really hard milking--in the short term, the next decade or so. And long term in our Latino-izing--"slumping toward Brazil"--America blacks are not going to get the same kid glove treatment as they've received as the goto for propagandizing good whites. But mining the "oppressed blacks!" coal seam isn't going to go away anytime so. Too much of the Parasite Party narrative and electoral glue is wrapped up in it.
> There’s a common bit of verbal sleight of hand using the term “violent criminal” to minimize exactly how much more likely young blacks are to pull out a piece and start shooting: “Violent criminals” include a lot of bar brawlers and wife beaters of all races, but shooters tend to be very black. At the peak of the racial reckoning in 2021, the FBI reported that 60.4 percent of known murder offenders were black, and the CDC reported that 55.0 percent of homicide victims were black.<
Well said Steve. "Verbal slight of hand" is polite. These social "scientists" are purposefully *lying* to propagandize the minoritarian narrative. Much like all the lying from Stephen J. Gould type anti-biology "biologists" and the similar cabal of anti-biology "psychologists". None of these people are scientists, they are political propagandists.
All that's necessary to establish the fundamental fraud here is that while blacks account for near 30% of police shootings--about twice their population share--they account for 60% of the homicides. It is "shots fired" that brings out cops ready to draw and fire on armed suspects. Blacks are actually "undershot" by police.
>So why do the cops kill 4.5 times as great a percentage of white male victims of violent death than of black male victims of violent death?
I don’t think it’s racist. I think it’s just more likely that whites (and Hispanics) engage in suicide by cop more than do blacks.<
Steve, while "suicide by cop" is a factor, I don't think it is the main factor.
I think the main factor is very different white and black cultures.
The black asshole is simply much more likely to get away. Not be named or adequately described by his fellow blacks who witness the shooting. Much more likely to have gangbanger friends who stick with him. Much easier for him to "fade into the background"--of a neighborhood full of other low-life thugs.
In contrast, when a white guy starts shooting people, the witnesses will describe him to police. He's less likely to be in a gang and much more likely to be a lone wolf. And once he gets shooty, his low-life friend's are much more likely to think he's out of line and ditch him--"I want no part of that shit". When some white asshole turns say a barfight into a shooting, the cops will get "Yeah, It was that dumbshit hothead Danny. He was wearing a jack over a red sweatshirt. He drives an old beat, blue Honda. He peeled out of here and headed north on 417. He lives in that old house--the one with blue trim--where County Line hits Oak Street."
The other factor--which the authors do note--is that the white guy is much less likely to live and get shooty in a big city where the cops encounter lots more shootings and have training and procedures for "de-escalation". When Danny pulls the first shooting of the year in the county and the cops catch up with him and he's dumb enough to still have a gun ... bang, bang, bang, bang. Problem solved.
Noted character actor David Rasche played Palmer DeBakey Smith but he is probably best known for his role as Sledge Hammer in the eponymous 1986 ABC sitcom