The reason why I couldn't wrap my mind around the accepted conventional wisdom from so many in our sector that Epstein Island was a Mossad honeypot:
It sounded to me like unnecessary cow buying for those who are already getting the milk for free.
It would have been an understandable effort for the Mossad to run if there was any danger that American politicians were imminently and seriously about to go off the pro-Israel plantation during the peak years of Epstein Island. But there was no such danger.
Note: I think the real reason why Bondi/Kash/Bongino are dragging their feet on the Epstein files is because they've seen them, and know that it's a relative nothingburger, that it was all Epstein's own personal perversions, and Epstein Island was his buying political friends. They're hoping that the yammering goes away, because they don't want to have to release the files and it turns out to be a big embarrassment to the many people who have hyped this up to way more than it is.
I don't believe DoJ rules allow them to release anything incriminating without an indictment. Most of it is probably past the statute of limitations by now, and the victims don't want to come forward if they can't get some money as Virginia Roberts did. Speaking of her, I've never heard who released the famous photo with Prince Andrew. Epstein/Maxwell obviously drew him in for their protection from UK authorities, and he couldn't easily escape, if he had the brains to.
Epstein's greatest social coup was his admission to the Board of The Robin Hood Foundation, the largest and most prestigeous "charity" in NYC. That gave him credibility and access to finance and tech giants, famous media like Katie Couric (and high school girls -- he chose to focus on school reform, along with fellow Board member Harvey Weinstein).
It would be difficult to make the GPT model do bad reasoning (which it doesn't actually do BTW) for a specific type of data.
That said, they can put their thumb on the scale but training it only on verified good think data and opinion.
The big place to put the thumb on the scale is the post training, when they have humans giving a thumbs up or thumbs down on its responses.
They also can filter your questions using GPT, before they send your question to GPT. For example you ask it if crime data in New York City in the 20th century suggests that violent urban crime is essentially a black phenomenon. They can first send your question to GPT with a prompt asking it 'does this sound like the kind of thing a racist would ask?" if it comes back yes they can request GPT scold you
And finally, in the background they prepend (and probably other tricks) all kinds of text to your question before it gets fed to the model.
If you want help with racist data questions, maybe you clean your data first and say it's about canadians and donut consumption rather than blacks and crime (or whatever you're working on)
I read an article a few years ago that made the argument that he inherited the whole sex party blackmail thing from an earlier iteration of it. I'll try to find it.
I doubt the whole thing was developed according to a plan. The idea that this started with a brainstorming session at Mossad (or CIA) headquarters and became some young go getter's projects and got some funding and then they somehow found the perfect pimp and set him up...it isn't how business works.
More likely Epstein was four or sic standard deviations above the mean for charisma and gregariousness. We've all met these guys. Super friendly. Has 10,000 friends. Knows everyone. I've met at least two of them. One of them has to have three birthday parties every year to fit everyone (and I didn't even make the list even though we still keep in touch after I moved away)
The other, a more recent friend, was recently placed on the rotating guest list for a very high profile billionaire. Why? Well I assume because he knows a lot of interesting people to bring to dinner to talk about interesting things. Billionaires get bored like the rest of us. There are a lot of smart people on this comment section. How often do you find yourself wishing you had more smart curious people around to talk to?
Billionaires just have more available solutions to that problem.
When did Epstein add the young women to it? My guess is he transitioned to untraditional pimp slowly. At first he would have just been the guy who knows everyone throwing parties for rich guys. It's not that difficult for men like that to find attractive young women who want to attend such parties. After a few cycles of success, the 'recruitment' gets more aggressive. Soon you are a pimp.
Further speculation: I don't know that he needed to blackmail anyone, certainly not at first. If you enjoy the guys sex and interesting conversation mixers, why not 'invest' a few million with the guy. Keeps things friendly. Keeps mouths shut maybe.
After some time, word gets back to 'intelligence'. I would not be so cocky about it being Mossad. It's more likely that it started with CIA but could easily be both. It would be child play for them to get Epstein on board and on the payroll.
Epstein probably stole some money from Les Wexner of Victoria's Secret, but where did the rest come from, and where is it now? That's never been answered that I've seen.
If you presented as a successful fund manager (or whatever) and had dozens or hundreds of super rich friends who wanted to stay on the guest list for future sex and science parties (the crab cakes are amazing!), you'd figure something out.
Did Epstein get out over his skis in finance and opportunistically decide to go into high-end pimping for all his smart, wealthy friends? And no doubt, CIA, Mossad or both would eventually get their hooks into him.
The guy certainly had lots of moxie. Just casually running a prostitution ring of teenaged girls right in the middle of Manhattan. And a Caribbean island, with a Hebrew temple?! Like wtff--he's going to temple to reflect on the 10 Commandments after a long week pimping?
He reminds me of Bernie Madoff. Just brazen as brazen can be brazen.
Madoff knew he was doing something illegal and wrong (and also unnecessary). Epstein knew he was doing something illegal but I'd bet donuts to dollars (inflation) that he didn't think it was wrong. He wasn't trafficking 10 year olds. Lots of people think the age of consent thing is an absurd puritanical something or other.
I would also bet that he didn't consider himself a pimp, at least until he got in too deep and then he likely rationalized that it wasn't his fault.
I'd still want something besides Procurer Of Attractive Teenagers for My Wealthy, Powerful Friends on my resume. But I agree; I'm sure he never lost a minute of sleep over it. Very dead-eyed look to Epstein. Apparently all he was into was wealth and sex.
If the biographical film with Robert DeNiro was true to life, Madoff never apologized to anyone other than his rather toneless statement at his sentencing.
The P. Diddy gamebook. Studying Lyndon LaRouche illustrated for me the ease with which people who end up being on one spy roll are frequently on three or more.
I don't know whether he was connected to the US, Israeli or any other intelligence agency, but it seems unusual that no one seems to know how he made his money. Wall Street guys who handle that kind of money for clients with that kind of money are usually well known, at least to other Wall Street guys.
So much BS has been put out about Epstein it's hard to tell what's true and what isn't. There's no doubt he got very rich and he had strange perversion of wanting massages from teenage girls, some of whom he masturbated in front of and some he didn't. He paid those girls $300 apiece for their services and also paid them to bring other girls to his home in Florida.
There is also no doubt that he moved in exclusive circles and was acquainted with a lot of prominent people of both political parties. It is a myth that he took underage girls to his private island - the women who went there were adults and some were in his employ while others were models.
He was also seen as a cash cow by some of the women who massaged him while in their teens.
As for Donald Trump, it is well-known that he knew Epstein and there were connections. After all, Virginia Roberts Guifferre, who recently killed herself, was working for Trump when Maxwell found her and offered to send her to massage school. Musk is most likely correct that Trump is in the nefarious Epstein files, along with a lot of other well-known politicians and others in high places.
Did Epstein have connections to Massad and the CIA? The answer would be probably. Both organizations use whoever they thin will be beneficial to them. As for Massad, Epstein was a Jew.
Because if your job is to compromise people for whom you might someday find a use, politicians and top scientists are first and second on your list? Doy?
"He compared Epstein to another frequent prominent visitor to the law office, a man who went on to be elected to one of the most important offices in America, but who subsequently had his own sex scandal."
Bill Clinton? That's exactly who it sounds like being described.
"That busy bigshot never paid the slightest attention to the interns as individuals."
But then the irony would be is that if it was Clinton, he did pay attention to an individual intern when he was in the Oval Office.
Some insights on offer re: Mr. Epstein and his hijinks, in the comments to this Pearl Harbor Day 2021 iSteve post at Unz. E.g. https://www.unz.com/isteve/open-thread-this-weeks-various-trials-of-the-century/#comment-5049678
The reason why I couldn't wrap my mind around the accepted conventional wisdom from so many in our sector that Epstein Island was a Mossad honeypot:
It sounded to me like unnecessary cow buying for those who are already getting the milk for free.
It would have been an understandable effort for the Mossad to run if there was any danger that American politicians were imminently and seriously about to go off the pro-Israel plantation during the peak years of Epstein Island. But there was no such danger.
Note: I think the real reason why Bondi/Kash/Bongino are dragging their feet on the Epstein files is because they've seen them, and know that it's a relative nothingburger, that it was all Epstein's own personal perversions, and Epstein Island was his buying political friends. They're hoping that the yammering goes away, because they don't want to have to release the files and it turns out to be a big embarrassment to the many people who have hyped this up to way more than it is.
I don't believe DoJ rules allow them to release anything incriminating without an indictment. Most of it is probably past the statute of limitations by now, and the victims don't want to come forward if they can't get some money as Virginia Roberts did. Speaking of her, I've never heard who released the famous photo with Prince Andrew. Epstein/Maxwell obviously drew him in for their protection from UK authorities, and he couldn't easily escape, if he had the brains to.
Epstein's greatest social coup was his admission to the Board of The Robin Hood Foundation, the largest and most prestigeous "charity" in NYC. That gave him credibility and access to finance and tech giants, famous media like Katie Couric (and high school girls -- he chose to focus on school reform, along with fellow Board member Harvey Weinstein).
Steve, I have a question for you.
Can woke programming prevent AI from correctly analyzing critical negro data (i.q., social pathology, crime)?
It would be difficult to make the GPT model do bad reasoning (which it doesn't actually do BTW) for a specific type of data.
That said, they can put their thumb on the scale but training it only on verified good think data and opinion.
The big place to put the thumb on the scale is the post training, when they have humans giving a thumbs up or thumbs down on its responses.
They also can filter your questions using GPT, before they send your question to GPT. For example you ask it if crime data in New York City in the 20th century suggests that violent urban crime is essentially a black phenomenon. They can first send your question to GPT with a prompt asking it 'does this sound like the kind of thing a racist would ask?" if it comes back yes they can request GPT scold you
And finally, in the background they prepend (and probably other tricks) all kinds of text to your question before it gets fed to the model.
If you want help with racist data questions, maybe you clean your data first and say it's about canadians and donut consumption rather than blacks and crime (or whatever you're working on)
I read an article a few years ago that made the argument that he inherited the whole sex party blackmail thing from an earlier iteration of it. I'll try to find it.
I doubt the whole thing was developed according to a plan. The idea that this started with a brainstorming session at Mossad (or CIA) headquarters and became some young go getter's projects and got some funding and then they somehow found the perfect pimp and set him up...it isn't how business works.
More likely Epstein was four or sic standard deviations above the mean for charisma and gregariousness. We've all met these guys. Super friendly. Has 10,000 friends. Knows everyone. I've met at least two of them. One of them has to have three birthday parties every year to fit everyone (and I didn't even make the list even though we still keep in touch after I moved away)
The other, a more recent friend, was recently placed on the rotating guest list for a very high profile billionaire. Why? Well I assume because he knows a lot of interesting people to bring to dinner to talk about interesting things. Billionaires get bored like the rest of us. There are a lot of smart people on this comment section. How often do you find yourself wishing you had more smart curious people around to talk to?
Billionaires just have more available solutions to that problem.
When did Epstein add the young women to it? My guess is he transitioned to untraditional pimp slowly. At first he would have just been the guy who knows everyone throwing parties for rich guys. It's not that difficult for men like that to find attractive young women who want to attend such parties. After a few cycles of success, the 'recruitment' gets more aggressive. Soon you are a pimp.
Further speculation: I don't know that he needed to blackmail anyone, certainly not at first. If you enjoy the guys sex and interesting conversation mixers, why not 'invest' a few million with the guy. Keeps things friendly. Keeps mouths shut maybe.
After some time, word gets back to 'intelligence'. I would not be so cocky about it being Mossad. It's more likely that it started with CIA but could easily be both. It would be child play for them to get Epstein on board and on the payroll.
That's my guess.
Epstein probably stole some money from Les Wexner of Victoria's Secret, but where did the rest come from, and where is it now? That's never been answered that I've seen.
If you presented as a successful fund manager (or whatever) and had dozens or hundreds of super rich friends who wanted to stay on the guest list for future sex and science parties (the crab cakes are amazing!), you'd figure something out.
And now we'll never know. What a bizarre saga.
Did Epstein get out over his skis in finance and opportunistically decide to go into high-end pimping for all his smart, wealthy friends? And no doubt, CIA, Mossad or both would eventually get their hooks into him.
The guy certainly had lots of moxie. Just casually running a prostitution ring of teenaged girls right in the middle of Manhattan. And a Caribbean island, with a Hebrew temple?! Like wtff--he's going to temple to reflect on the 10 Commandments after a long week pimping?
He reminds me of Bernie Madoff. Just brazen as brazen can be brazen.
Madoff knew he was doing something illegal and wrong (and also unnecessary). Epstein knew he was doing something illegal but I'd bet donuts to dollars (inflation) that he didn't think it was wrong. He wasn't trafficking 10 year olds. Lots of people think the age of consent thing is an absurd puritanical something or other.
I would also bet that he didn't consider himself a pimp, at least until he got in too deep and then he likely rationalized that it wasn't his fault.
I'd still want something besides Procurer Of Attractive Teenagers for My Wealthy, Powerful Friends on my resume. But I agree; I'm sure he never lost a minute of sleep over it. Very dead-eyed look to Epstein. Apparently all he was into was wealth and sex.
If the biographical film with Robert DeNiro was true to life, Madoff never apologized to anyone other than his rather toneless statement at his sentencing.
Same thing in the Madoff documentary I saw.
The P. Diddy gamebook. Studying Lyndon LaRouche illustrated for me the ease with which people who end up being on one spy roll are frequently on three or more.
I don't know whether he was connected to the US, Israeli or any other intelligence agency, but it seems unusual that no one seems to know how he made his money. Wall Street guys who handle that kind of money for clients with that kind of money are usually well known, at least to other Wall Street guys.
So much BS has been put out about Epstein it's hard to tell what's true and what isn't. There's no doubt he got very rich and he had strange perversion of wanting massages from teenage girls, some of whom he masturbated in front of and some he didn't. He paid those girls $300 apiece for their services and also paid them to bring other girls to his home in Florida.
There is also no doubt that he moved in exclusive circles and was acquainted with a lot of prominent people of both political parties. It is a myth that he took underage girls to his private island - the women who went there were adults and some were in his employ while others were models.
He was also seen as a cash cow by some of the women who massaged him while in their teens.
As for Donald Trump, it is well-known that he knew Epstein and there were connections. After all, Virginia Roberts Guifferre, who recently killed herself, was working for Trump when Maxwell found her and offered to send her to massage school. Musk is most likely correct that Trump is in the nefarious Epstein files, along with a lot of other well-known politicians and others in high places.
Did Epstein have connections to Massad and the CIA? The answer would be probably. Both organizations use whoever they thin will be beneficial to them. As for Massad, Epstein was a Jew.
May not have been a Mossad agent, but bet he was a contractor. He ran an NGO before there were NGOs.
Because if your job is to compromise people for whom you might someday find a use, politicians and top scientists are first and second on your list? Doy?
"He compared Epstein to another frequent prominent visitor to the law office, a man who went on to be elected to one of the most important offices in America, but who subsequently had his own sex scandal."
Bill Clinton? That's exactly who it sounds like being described.
"That busy bigshot never paid the slightest attention to the interns as individuals."
But then the irony would be is that if it was Clinton, he did pay attention to an individual intern when he was in the Oval Office.