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Giovanni Acuto's avatar

Property developers and universities have a lot to do with it. An unholy alliance between bleeding hearts (who have never seen a brown person they didn’t like) and a rapacious rentier class that is reliant on an immigration Ponzi scheme and cares nothing for the countries it destroys.

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Steve Sailer's avatar

Right, a lot of special interests were involved in the insane immigration explosion of the early 2020s.

But why didn't anybody notice?

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PapayaSF's avatar

It seemed to me that a lot of people noticed, but it was complicated and thus hard to talk about. The left liked it for obvious reasons, but many on the establishment right did, too. Employers like cheap labor. Landlords like higher rents and house prices. Businesses like more customers.

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Derecha Disidente's avatar

Steve, you know the perils of “noticing”.

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Giovanni Acuto's avatar

Steve, people did notice. It’s just that the rentier class cynically used the bleeding heart left as its attack dog, in the same way the climate industry uses an autistic teenager as a form of human shield). To the observation, do we really want to import half the Indian subcontinent to Australia?, the inevitable reply was: “what, are you a raaaaaaacist?” (The correct answer to which is “well yes, of course I am, but I don’t see what that’s got to do with the wisdom of importing half the Indian subcontinent into Australia…).

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Richard North's avatar

We have done.

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Erik's avatar

The guy who owns the rental property next door to me says he no longer will buy such properties in California. He believes the end game for California politicians is that everyone in the state will rent his residence from Blackrock.

It's quite genius actually--evil businessmen stopped advocating directly for their own interests and instead threw support behind the the party that ostensibly opposed them. Then they advocate for policies that don't benefit them directly, but are kind of bank shots.

Later they discovered they could get away with more direct policy as long as they worked with the "good guys"

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SteveDoc22's avatar

Neoliberals and neoconservatives in all Western nations are deathly afraid that the native population is not having enough babies to provide new workers to finance the various social welfare and retirement systems (eg., social security in America). Believing in blank slate ideology, they reasoned that the system needed to bring in young immigrants - any young immigrants -to pay for the growing retiree population.

Universities needed more cash-paying or loan-eligible students to finance their burgeoning administrative bloat to provide jobs for mediocre elites.

The antiracist nonsense provided them a moral justification and made themselves feel less guilty about their own, often unearned, success.

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RevelinConcentration's avatar

This sounds like way too sophisticated of an argument. Do you think the average liberal thinks about demographics? Do you think the average liberal hasn’t noticed the decline in quality of services when you import the third world, say like truck drivers?

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Guest007's avatar

Considering the deepest blue areas have few blue collar or working class whites, it makes sense that elite urban whites do not think highly of the poorest, most rural whites.

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Kelly Harbeson's avatar

I'm not sure what the "average liberal" notices but the hard left base of the Democrat Party has certainly noticed that their power to shame and gloat is slipping away fast! Couple that with disturbed children who have no memory of what this country was like 50 years ago but DO realise that they will never have what their parents were able to afford and you have a lot of resentment against the rest of us.

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Erik's avatar

Everything he said I have heard liberals say--just not together in one sentence. Among the thinking libs a lot of them believe that the economy only works with the age distribution that existed in the mid to late 20th century. If the ratio of olds to youngs goes too high we will experience the vague entity called "collapse". No one wants collapse do they? It sounds scary.

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RevelinConcentration's avatar

If they really believed that they would have more children. If they do say it, I don’t think they believe it. Just some talking points to support the disaster that is the Democratic Party.

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Erik's avatar

If they really believed in global warming they wouldn't fly on private jets. If I really thought there was a water shortage I wouldn't remove the flow restrictor from my shower head (for example--I would never do such a thing). When a policy requires everyone to do it to have an effect, all kinds of people opt out. And with the no babies problem there is a hack, just let in all the amazing productive nice culturally compatible people from around the world. After all, the only reason their countries aren't as nice as ours is because of the legacy of colonialism. We kind of owe it to them if you think about it.

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hodag's avatar

A theory I heard for the UK has to do with govt debt. When selling debt the purchasers look at if there will be enough taxes over the 30 years to pay that debt. UK is aging rapidly and there will be a lot fewer taxpayers over the next 30 years. So add a lot of young foreigners who will work over the next 40-50 years. Well the bond market has figured out these young foreigners are not English men and instead of contributing taxes they consume taxes. Thus the UK sovereign debt crisis and talk of IMF bailout.

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Guest007's avatar

It is about entitlements as much as debt service.

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Erik's avatar

Fortune sent me an article saying that the Trump tariffs are temporarily supporting our bond rating. I didn't realize the magnitude of them until then. I also haven't noticed additional bad consequences yet. Too bad they are probably unconstitutional.

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The Anti-Gnostic's avatar

I'd gladly pay the tariffs and higher prices as welfare at the cash register. But I wish they came with lower income taxes and commensurate reduction in government and regulation. I think the die is cast at this point.

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Evola's Sunglasses's avatar

The Anglo-sphere is completely captured by international finance capitalism and the intrests of the Merchant Class.

Wall Street and The City of London are driving the open borders Globalisation project.

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MamaBear's avatar

Yes but the motive for mass migration is ideological and philosophical. Once businesses and non-profits realized they’d benefit financially, they got on board and pushed for it.

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Evola's Sunglasses's avatar

When the Merchant Class are in control, short term profit intrests will trump everything.

If the nation state doesn't control international finance capitalism, international finance capitalism will control the nation state.

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Chicago Phil's avatar

The Democrats want to increase the non white percentage of the population who they think will vote for them.

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Christopher B's avatar

The Democrats (Judias and Teixeira) are the ones who came up with the basic replacement theory though Teixeira is now loudly proclaiming that they didn't mean replacement of working class whites in the Democrat Party. I suspect he's probably telling the truth because the great problem the Democrats faced when they wrote the Emerging Majority was the stubborn resistance of suburban upper middle-class whites to reliably vote Democrat. That could have been overcome by diluting their proportion of the vote with Democrat-leaning non-whites. As it actually happened, UMC whites rather than the working class as a whole have become among the most reliable Democrat voters so the theory of who was getting replaced had to be retconned, and then the whole thing imploded as non-whites started to vote more inline with their white economic and cultural peers.

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RevelinConcentration's avatar

1) Democrats have a hive mind. You go with the Woke or get crushed.

2) Democrats were in power, more specifically Alejandro Mayorkas was in power. Biden was just a puppet.

3) If you understand Mayorkas’s motivations you get your answer.

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Danfromdc's avatar

What do you think about other Anglosphere countries?

Well, I’m not paying $3 a month to Substack to think.

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Erik's avatar

haha

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Paolo Giusti's avatar

If you add more warm body, "the line will go up" by sheer mathematics. It's this simple: iirc Boris Johnson justified the "Boris wave" as such.

Of course, low quality immigrants give you diminishing returns than high quality natives, e.g. Canada is experiencing the worst (and first?) per capita recession because south asians add to the total GDP less than the native.

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TonyZa's avatar

The theory that mass immigration in the West is accidental doesn't fit with Europe's major powers pushing hard for Third World immigration in reluctant East European countries like Poland and Hungary.

Was immigration from Ireland still a thing in the 90's?

The Powers That Be knew what they were doing back then and they still do. They are just smart enough to not talk too much about their real goals in public.

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TonyZa's avatar

BTW gen Alpha in the US is only 47% white so they are achieving their goals.

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Kelly Harbeson's avatar

But confounding that is how many Hispanics think they are white. My impression is that well over 50% of American citizens identify as "white" despite what the demographers say.

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TonyZa's avatar

Our host has written a lot about Flight From White and how fewer people identify as white to benefit from the perks of the new racial hierarchy.

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Kathleen Lowrey's avatar

Every Western nation slipping on the same banana peel and getting repeated blows to the ankles if they tried stepping around it (Orban) does not seem likely to be accidental.

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Marion's avatar

England, and especially the south east of England rather than the north east (where I live) and rather than Wales and Scotland, is being overrun with third world immigrants, both legal and illegal. The only explanation I have is that whoever is running our corrupt and clueless government wants to collapse the economy and civil society, i.e. everyone’s trust in everyone else. And then…they will bring in the solution: digital id - the sheep will beg for this as it will come with a promise that all illegals will be deported, being super easy to track down as they won’t have the fantastic id with which all all true Brits will be tagged.

The illegals on the ‘small boats’ could be easily stopped (machine guns would be my preference) and all those that are already here would leave pretty quickly if all benefits, including free housing and health care, were withdrawn. Also, we could ban the burqa and halal meat, cousin marriage etc…But these solutions will not ever be considered by those who presently rule us, although promises may be made, as long as the native white population just agrees to sign up to the agenda. The West needs to rise up, unfortunately I can’t see this happening. The majority of us are too old, too fat, too addled by the covid jabs, or too brainwashed (again, see the covid scam for evidence of the sheep’s’ indoctrination).

I am 63, my husband of 40 years is 66, my son is 38 and unmarried and childless but with a good, work from home job and mainstream lefty views (although he agrees with me about the third world creatures). My dear daughter lives in France with her partner and son, her only child. My family is typical: of all my children’s friends very few have more than one child, many have none. I am one of six children, all of us boomers, with only eleven children between us - there are two autistic children amongst our grandchildren….so…I am not optimistic, instead extremely angry at the waste of our civilisation. Perhaps this collapse was inevitable, given how whites are far outnumbered world wide, and how easy it is nowadays for the hoards to invade Europe.

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AMac78's avatar

Thanks. For those with the patience (or commute time) to listen to podcasts, here is Louise Perry's 90' interview of counterinsurgency expert David Betz, "The Coming British Civil War." ("Maiden Mother Matriarch" Episode 124 on Apple Podcasts, etc.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gid48FgiHho

The Yookay, French, and German governing elites seems to be very concerned with this fallout of 'electing a new people.' U.S., Australian, etc. leadership seem ignorant or indifferent.

Who could have possibly foreseen that it would come to this? Except Lee Kuan Yew and Enoch Powell.

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Marion's avatar

I do think that Betz is part of the elite plan of trying to poke the bear, I.e. they want to provoke us into doing something unorganised and chaotic, making us believe that it’s possible to fight them…I think if there is an uprising, it won’t be signalled on YouTube. (Also, it wouldn’t be a civil war - civil wars are between brothers; we would be fighting third world invaders, on the whole, unless we invade Parliament, which we also should of course…Not enough lampposts in Westminster.

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Peter Lund's avatar

We have digital ID in Denmark (and many other European countries). It is not a problem. It also doesn't solve the immigration problem, of course.

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Marion's avatar
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I’m worried that they will be able to introduce digital currency, and that combined with digital id could mean that they can cut off our bank accounts if we do anything the evil ones don’t approve of. I feel it could be a very slippery slope into totalitarianism, much like China. But then I think they probably don’t have the wherewithal - I’ve read that the data centres need a very great deal of power, the type that can’t be supplied by windmills and solar. It would certainly knock the green bo%%ocks on the head.

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Keith's avatar

I disagree. I don't believe it's likely that government after government would intentionally destroy their own nation merely to introduce a digital ID scheme so as to better control the sheep they rule over. They could introduce such a scheme without first collapsing the economy and social capital. And remember that since governments change every few years you'd be handing over your cunning digital ID scheme to your ideological enemies. Or maybe you believe that all political parties are the same? I agree, the difference between Labour and the Conservatives hasn't been large over the past couple of decades and the term 'the uni-party' is a good one. However, to claim that there is NO difference or that Rerform and Advance are no different is silly.

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Frau Katze's avatar

My sister and I did reproduce ourselves. I had two, and they each have two. My sister had four and has nine grandchildren.

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JR Ewing's avatar

I think you are right about average everyday liberals and even most politicians, that it was simple bleeding heart emotion, but I also think a smaller subset of politicians was more nefarious and definitely more calculating. That group knew very well that the state of the world in most countries is comprised of an overclass and an underclass and if normal Americans were going to be uppity and not allow themselves to be perpetually ruled over, then by god we’ll just import our own group of people who will. And we will reward them with public benefits in return, paid for by all the racists who already live here.

The small group of people in charge of the democrat party are too smart *not* to know what they were doing, while the people who blindly follow them, who have mostly been brainwashed by liberal and non-racist pieties over the past 50 years, don’t know and don’t care.

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Rona Linne's avatar

My two cents: this mass immigration madness all stems from mmt, that government prints fiat money entirely anchored on national debt. To continue keep money printer going, they need people to buy their debt. Two most important things when anyone invest in debt: 1. Inflation is not out of control (the fiat money would keep its value 2. The government would actually pay back the debt when the debt is due, classically, in societies like the current west and Japan, when people stops to have children, normally two things would happen 1. Asset price collapse (because of no demand), therefore no tax revenue and government default 2. Hyperinflation like post ww1 Germany, that government just try print money out of its way to serve debt. One of the important reason the west has avoid these 2 disastrous scenario since the mid 80s after the stagflation of the 70s and early 80s (which I would like Mr Sailer to write something about his memories at that time), it’s by introducing mass immigration into their own countries. Benefits of mass immigration: 1 artificially pumped up the demand for revenue generated assets, especially real estate, those prevent an asset price collapse 2 artificially drove down real wage growth for ingenious people, fundamentally prevented the infamous wage-price spiral of the 70s, 3. By artificially pumped up the price of revenue generating assets while keeping the real wage growth to a minimum, the rich got significantly richer while making the working class people more and more powerless. On theory this sounds like a perfect scheme, unless it reaches the breaking point we have right now, which is that the new state is not the old state anymore. The other side to mass immigration is hyper globalization, but this reply is already too long. To conclude, always remember the only reason Liz Truss lasted shorter than an iceberg lettuce is because her budget spooked the British government debt (gilt) market, there was simply no other mistake.

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Derecha Disidente's avatar

Anti-White animus on the part of our hostile elite, to paraphrase Kmac.

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Kelly Harbeson's avatar

"Librerals don't think very much about immigration" That may well be true but the problem is what they DO think about. Tranny rights, systemic racism and "Orange man bad" Ideas they obssess over while Trump lives rent-free in their heads. It's seems their need to believe in their own "goodness" makes them blind to realities on the ground even when those realities impact their sheltered lives. America used to tolerate these people if not actually need them just for a different perspective on life. But now is different. America is like a sick patient with bad habits that are making it sicker. At some point, the patient deteriorates beyond the point where quitting its bad habits is not enough. Measures have to be taken to actually cure the disease. Stopping illegal immigration, as important as it is will not be enough. We have to actively deport those here illegally. It will take clear eyes and a hard heart. Many illegals "are not bad people" but they ARE illegal and part of the problem. They must be found and deported aggressively enough that they start to self-deport. Remigration is the only thing that will keep this country from going the way of Britain, France and Germany. Countries the US arguably saved TWICE but have given up breeding, producing or having meaningful militaries. Britain has more horses in its military than tanks and I suspect the horses get more maintenance. Europe concerns itself with the conflict in Ukraine more than the conflict in its own cities. That is Americas future if we don't act quickly and decisively.

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Ralph L's avatar

It's so weird to me that the West began its death spiral so soon after defeating and discrediting Soviet Communism. The ending of Hamlet?

Tony Blair usually gets the blame for deliberately turning the UK non-white, but they began importing Caribbeans and Asians for the new NHS long before. The Left needs to realize that brain-drain is far worse for the Third World than colonialism.

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MamaBear's avatar

The brain drain never gets enough discussion. Countries get stuck with a small wealthy class and masses of the modern untouchables. Countries are being emptied out and cultures that lasted for centuries or millennial will be wiped out. It’s sad.

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Tom Stetz's avatar

Too many people with too much time on their hands. The brain is pretty terrible about practical matters, whichever hemisphere is in charge of that stuff. We should all work more and think less.

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