Property developers and universities have a lot to do with it. An unholy alliance between bleeding hearts (who have never seen a brown person they didn’t like) and a rapacious rentier class that is reliant on an immigration Ponzi scheme and cares nothing for the countries it destroys.
It seemed to me that a lot of people noticed, but it was complicated and thus hard to talk about. The left liked it for obvious reasons, but many on the establishment right did, too. Employers like cheap labor. Landlords like higher rents and house prices. Businesses like more customers.
Steve, people did notice. It’s just that the rentier class cynically used the bleeding heart left as its attack dog, in the same way the climate industry uses an autistic teenager as a form of human shield). To the observation, do we really want to import half the Indian subcontinent to Australia?, the inevitable reply was: “what, are you a raaaaaaacist?” (The correct answer to which is “well yes, of course I am, but I don’t see what that’s got to do with the wisdom of importing half the Indian subcontinent into Australia…).
They control media. Post 1945, no-one in Germany was noticing all the members of NSDAP and SS who were filling the prestigious elite positions in the state, universities, media and industry. Until everyone who was in these organizations was 10 years retired. Same thing. That is what media control is about.
The guy who owns the rental property next door to me says he no longer will buy such properties in California. He believes the end game for California politicians is that everyone in the state will rent his residence from Blackrock.
It's quite genius actually--evil businessmen stopped advocating directly for their own interests and instead threw support behind the the party that ostensibly opposed them. Then they advocate for policies that don't benefit them directly, but are kind of bank shots.
Later they discovered they could get away with more direct policy as long as they worked with the "good guys"
Neoliberals and neoconservatives in all Western nations are deathly afraid that the native population is not having enough babies to provide new workers to finance the various social welfare and retirement systems (eg., social security in America). Believing in blank slate ideology, they reasoned that the system needed to bring in young immigrants - any young immigrants -to pay for the growing retiree population.
Universities needed more cash-paying or loan-eligible students to finance their burgeoning administrative bloat to provide jobs for mediocre elites.
The antiracist nonsense provided them a moral justification and made themselves feel less guilty about their own, often unearned, success.
This sounds like way too sophisticated of an argument. Do you think the average liberal thinks about demographics? Do you think the average liberal hasn’t noticed the decline in quality of services when you import the third world, say like truck drivers?
Considering the deepest blue areas have few blue collar or working class whites, it makes sense that elite urban whites do not think highly of the poorest, most rural whites.
There is a lot to dislike about the rural poor. The problem with the Left is that they think the pathologies that plague poor whites somehow don’t plague minorities or the millions of third world immigrants we are letting into the West. It is cognitive dissonance on an epic level.
I'm not sure what the "average liberal" notices but the hard left base of the Democrat Party has certainly noticed that their power to shame and gloat is slipping away fast! Couple that with disturbed children who have no memory of what this country was like 50 years ago but DO realise that they will never have what their parents were able to afford and you have a lot of resentment against the rest of us.
Everything he said I have heard liberals say--just not together in one sentence. Among the thinking libs a lot of them believe that the economy only works with the age distribution that existed in the mid to late 20th century. If the ratio of olds to youngs goes too high we will experience the vague entity called "collapse". No one wants collapse do they? It sounds scary.
If they really believed that they would have more children. If they do say it, I don’t think they believe it. Just some talking points to support the disaster that is the Democratic Party.
If they really believed in global warming they wouldn't fly on private jets. If I really thought there was a water shortage I wouldn't remove the flow restrictor from my shower head (for example--I would never do such a thing). When a policy requires everyone to do it to have an effect, all kinds of people opt out. And with the no babies problem there is a hack, just let in all the amazing productive nice culturally compatible people from around the world. After all, the only reason their countries aren't as nice as ours is because of the legacy of colonialism. We kind of owe it to them if you think about it.
After all, there is no such thing as race. It's all just magic dirt, white supremacy plus the evil colonialism effects that are more then enough to explain everything...
Self driving taxis will be here by 2031. Less demand for taxi drivers. Demand for cars will decline by 40% so many salespeople and others sellers will be surplus
China sees robots replacing workers from food production to making goods. Many of these gals have already been automated and the people who entered the West cannot contribute to these automations systems
A theory I heard for the UK has to do with govt debt. When selling debt the purchasers look at if there will be enough taxes over the 30 years to pay that debt. UK is aging rapidly and there will be a lot fewer taxpayers over the next 30 years. So add a lot of young foreigners who will work over the next 40-50 years. Well the bond market has figured out these young foreigners are not English men and instead of contributing taxes they consume taxes. Thus the UK sovereign debt crisis and talk of IMF bailout.
Fortune sent me an article saying that the Trump tariffs are temporarily supporting our bond rating. I didn't realize the magnitude of them until then. I also haven't noticed additional bad consequences yet. Too bad they are probably unconstitutional.
I'd gladly pay the tariffs and higher prices as welfare at the cash register. But I wish they came with lower income taxes and commensurate reduction in government and regulation. I think the die is cast at this point.
Yes but the motive for mass migration is ideological and philosophical. Once businesses and non-profits realized they’d benefit financially, they got on board and pushed for it.
The Democrats (Judias and Teixeira) are the ones who came up with the basic replacement theory though Teixeira is now loudly proclaiming that they didn't mean replacement of working class whites in the Democrat Party. I suspect he's probably telling the truth because the great problem the Democrats faced when they wrote the Emerging Majority was the stubborn resistance of suburban upper middle-class whites to reliably vote Democrat. That could have been overcome by diluting their proportion of the vote with Democrat-leaning non-whites. As it actually happened, UMC whites rather than the working class as a whole have become among the most reliable Democrat voters so the theory of who was getting replaced had to be retconned, and then the whole thing imploded as non-whites started to vote more inline with their white economic and cultural peers.
If you add more warm body, "the line will go up" by sheer mathematics. It's this simple: iirc Boris Johnson justified the "Boris wave" as such.
Of course, low quality immigrants give you diminishing returns than high quality natives, e.g. Canada is experiencing the worst (and first?) per capita recession because south asians add to the total GDP less than the native.
The theory that mass immigration in the West is accidental doesn't fit with Europe's major powers pushing hard for Third World immigration in reluctant East European countries like Poland and Hungary.
Was immigration from Ireland still a thing in the 90's?
The Powers That Be knew what they were doing back then and they still do. They are just smart enough to not talk too much about their real goals in public.
But confounding that is how many Hispanics think they are white. My impression is that well over 50% of American citizens identify as "white" despite what the demographers say.
Every Western nation slipping on the same banana peel and getting repeated blows to the ankles if they tried stepping around it (Orban) does not seem likely to be accidental.
UN International Office of Migration has set up in Seoul Korea and is pushing propaganda too. They're opening the country up with the current commie President.
England, and especially the south east of England rather than the north east (where I live) and rather than Wales and Scotland, is being overrun with third world immigrants, both legal and illegal. The only explanation I have is that whoever is running our corrupt and clueless government wants to collapse the economy and civil society, i.e. everyone’s trust in everyone else. And then…they will bring in the solution: digital id - the sheep will beg for this as it will come with a promise that all illegals will be deported, being super easy to track down as they won’t have the fantastic id with which all all true Brits will be tagged.
The illegals on the ‘small boats’ could be easily stopped (machine guns would be my preference) and all those that are already here would leave pretty quickly if all benefits, including free housing and health care, were withdrawn. Also, we could ban the burqa and halal meat, cousin marriage etc…But these solutions will not ever be considered by those who presently rule us, although promises may be made, as long as the native white population just agrees to sign up to the agenda. The West needs to rise up, unfortunately I can’t see this happening. The majority of us are too old, too fat, too addled by the covid jabs, or too brainwashed (again, see the covid scam for evidence of the sheep’s’ indoctrination).
I am 63, my husband of 40 years is 66, my son is 38 and unmarried and childless but with a good, work from home job and mainstream lefty views (although he agrees with me about the third world creatures). My dear daughter lives in France with her partner and son, her only child. My family is typical: of all my children’s friends very few have more than one child, many have none. I am one of six children, all of us boomers, with only eleven children between us - there are two autistic children amongst our grandchildren….so…I am not optimistic, instead extremely angry at the waste of our civilisation. Perhaps this collapse was inevitable, given how whites are far outnumbered world wide, and how easy it is nowadays for the hoards to invade Europe.
Thanks. For those with the patience (or commute time) to listen to podcasts, here is Louise Perry's 90' interview of counterinsurgency expert David Betz, "The Coming British Civil War." ("Maiden Mother Matriarch" Episode 124 on Apple Podcasts, etc.)
The Yookay, French, and German governing elites seems to be very concerned with this fallout of 'electing a new people.' U.S., Australian, etc. leadership seem ignorant or indifferent.
Who could have possibly foreseen that it would come to this? Except Lee Kuan Yew and Enoch Powell.
I do think that Betz is part of the elite plan of trying to poke the bear, I.e. they want to provoke us into doing something unorganised and chaotic, making us believe that it’s possible to fight them…I think if there is an uprising, it won’t be signalled on YouTube. (Also, it wouldn’t be a civil war - civil wars are between brothers; we would be fighting third world invaders, on the whole, unless we invade Parliament, which we also should of course…Not enough lampposts in Westminster.
I’m worried that they will be able to introduce digital currency, and that combined with digital id could mean that they can cut off our bank accounts if we do anything the evil ones don’t approve of. I feel it could be a very slippery slope into totalitarianism, much like China. But then I think they probably don’t have the wherewithal - I’ve read that the data centres need a very great deal of power, the type that can’t be supplied by windmills and solar. It would certainly knock the green bo%%ocks on the head.
They can introduce digital currency. But it won't help with productivity - that is the core problem. The real problem for the West is that authoritarian China has better productivity growth. That is why the Ukraine war goes the way it goes.
They can cut off your bank accounts whether there are cashless payments or not.
The data centers that eat a lot of energy are a different type than those needed for tracking payments/accounts. The latter job is very simple (except for the necessary concurrency and redundancy) -- you can basically have a couple of data centers with a single computer each and do fine.
The big energy consumer is data centers that do AI.
I disagree. I don't believe it's likely that government after government would intentionally destroy their own nation merely to introduce a digital ID scheme so as to better control the sheep they rule over. They could introduce such a scheme without first collapsing the economy and social capital. And remember that since governments change every few years you'd be handing over your cunning digital ID scheme to your ideological enemies. Or maybe you believe that all political parties are the same? I agree, the difference between Labour and the Conservatives hasn't been large over the past couple of decades and the term 'the uni-party' is a good one. However, to claim that there is NO difference or that Rerform and Advance are no different is silly.
I didn’t click there was no difference between parties; in my opinion however they all ‘installed’ and voters are ignored. British people have never been in favour of immigration, and we have always voted against it…However, here we are. What explanation do you have? Government incompetence? Yet the incompetent mistakes never favour ordinary white British people do they? I’m certainly not putting my faith in Reform as long as it is led by Mr Farage.
You're right that if it were pure incompetence then you wouldn't expect the mistakes to always be in the same direction. I agree with you there.
My own thought is that all humans, me included, always think they know best. This is especially true of politicians and other elites. But unlike me, they have the power to implement their know-it-all ideas. They all thought that as long as the economy was okay, and mass immigration was assisting in this, then the electorate would be happy, regardless of what we knuckle-dragging racists THOUGHT we believed about immigration. Give us enough cheap bread and circuses and we would forget all about immigration.
We now know that mass immigration from low IQ, backwards countries is a terrible idea, both economically and socially. Yet maybe for a while our immigrants weren't quite as awful as now. I'm thinking about the Kenyan and Ugandan Asians who arrived in the UK after being thrown out by Idi Amin and Kenyatta. They were industrious, highish IQ and were already well-disposed to the English way of life after living alongside the British in their African colonies. Also the number of these immigrants was relatively small and though most Brits were against even that, these first immigrants weren't as unpopular as our present Muslims or blacks, the latter having a very high crime rate.
What I'm saying is that politicians saw immigration as a temporary stop-gap to the labour shortages after WWI and then viewed it as an easy way to keep the economy going in the short term and to hell with the long term. By then they would be out of power anyway - or dead.
Later, most university educated people, including politicians, started to look down their noses at ethno-nationalism. Also Blair and the NEW Labour lot of 1997 saw immigration as a way of securing votes for Labour since most immigrants, especailly the low-skilled, low-IQ vote for parties that will give them lots of welfare. I think they also believed that with ever more contact with immigrants, our dislike of them would wear off.
I hate the politicians who did this to us, the Tories out of laziness and a lack of conviction and Labour because they think its cool to look down on the poor, native whites. But even though I despise them I don't believe their intention was ever to destroy Britain so that they could better control us. I think like all Utopians their imaginations only imagined the best of all possible scenarios and human nature would change. Instead we are now stuck with the consequences of their wrong social, wrong biological and wrong economic ideas.
Regarding Nigel Farage, my support for him is 90% while my support for Rupert Lowe, Ben Habib and Advance is 100%. Even so, Nigel Farage is a very experienced politician, has charisma and is very good in interviews. He is also cautious about scaring the centrist voter by moving too quickly to policies most of us want. The Overton Window can't be opened wide too soon. Even though I want mass deportations, I understand why Farage was loathe to back that policy too quickly in case the normies of the centre suddenly thought, 'This is like the BNP or National Front. I don't want this'. However, once it became clear that even the normies have had enough of Islamists and it became likely that Advance would outflank Reform to their right, Farage decided the time was right to back that policy.
I understand Rupert Lowe and I understand you too, but politics is not always about putting your cards on the table. If you naively just always say what you believe with no consideration to how this will be spun in the Mainstream media then your rising party might soon become a has-been.
In short I will definitely be voting for Farage and Reform at the next election, even though Advance reflects my own views better. Advance is too small and doesn't have anyone of Farage's stature, presence or name-recognition. And did you see the way Farage handled the hostile questions in the US senate this week? He just laughed the whole thing off like it was water off a duck's back and made his points clearly and with good humour. I think both Rupert and Ben would have become upset at the unfairness of the questioning, as I would too, but that isn't a good look for a politician. You have to have a skin like a rhinocerus, as Trump does.
Well, I hope you are right about Mr Farage. I don’t trust him because of how he behaved during the covid scam (went along as if he believed every lying word of it - was that because he didn’t want to scare the ‘normies’ or open that window too wide?) Less disturbingly, he doesn’t seem to be able to deal with people who disagree with him, such as Rupert Lowe - very odd what went on there. Anyway, we live in interesting times. If it wasn’t so scary and awful I’d be buying in the popcorn. As it is, I feel I should be buying lots of tinned meat and dried eggs….
I didn't know (and still don't) what Farage did during the Covid 'scam'. The truth is that it's easy to be wise after the event. Now we all know that the response overblown, even if it wasn't exactly a scam. (I think this is all part of your control theory). I attribute the exaggerated reaction of all countries bar Sweden to the fact that politicians will often be criticised by the general public for being too lax and reckless but rarely for being overly cautious. We now live in a very risk-averse society where politicans have to answer questions like, 'Why did you let my grandfather die of Covid? You should have safeguarded him by doing yadda yadda yadda'. Politicians then think, 'Oh, f*** it. Let's just lock everyone up, then they can't blame me when their 95-year-old granddad dies'.
For my own part, I never treated it seriously. I almost hoped it was an existential threat as I've always had a secret desire to live through one of those End-of-the-World 'survivor' scenarios. I could picture myself setting traps and living all alone in a stone hovel. Not only do I have confidence in my own immune system, but I could also see with my own eyes that the authorities, despite the all the catastrophising talk, were standing next to each other and having parties etc. You wouldn't do this during the bubonic plague. Instead you would desolve parliament and head for the Outer Hebrides.
You're right about the way Farage doesn't appear to like having a rival near him. Hard to say if this is an important political failing or not. I'm guessing that neither Julius Caesar nor Napoleon liked sharing the limelight with equals but they achieved a lot before finally being murdered or exiled. So do I think Nigel is another Caesar or Napoleon? Nope. Does it bother me that he wants to be the undisputed leader? Nope. Just so long as he achieves what I want him to achieve (i.e. returning Britain to how it was in the 1950's but with better dental care and modern anaesthetics) then I'll be happy.
I sometimes fantasize that since the reason we were flooded with immigrants was because they only wanted a better life for themselves and their families, perhaps if we could make Britain so poor that it was no longer attractive to economic migrants then they might look around the world, see somewhere richer like Canada, and decide to up sticks and leave impoverished Britain. Our island would then be inhabited only by those who are here, not for economic reasons, but because it is, and always will be, our home, regardless how awful things get. So, bring on the tinned meat and dry eggs!
I think you are right about average everyday liberals and even most politicians, that it was simple bleeding heart emotion, but I also think a smaller subset of politicians was more nefarious and definitely more calculating. That group knew very well that the state of the world in most countries is comprised of an overclass and an underclass and if normal Americans were going to be uppity and not allow themselves to be perpetually ruled over, then by god we’ll just import our own group of people who will. And we will reward them with public benefits in return, paid for by all the racists who already live here.
The small group of people in charge of the democrat party are too smart *not* to know what they were doing, while the people who blindly follow them, who have mostly been brainwashed by liberal and non-racist pieties over the past 50 years, don’t know and don’t care.
Not everything is about social control. You have such things as international competition too. If the West is failing international competition, it is doomed. Just look at the Soviet Union from 1945 to 1990. Social control didn't help it.
My two cents: this mass immigration madness all stems from mmt, that government prints fiat money entirely anchored on national debt. To continue keep money printer going, they need people to buy their debt. Two most important things when anyone invest in debt: 1. Inflation is not out of control (the fiat money would keep its value 2. The government would actually pay back the debt when the debt is due, classically, in societies like the current west and Japan, when people stops to have children, normally two things would happen 1. Asset price collapse (because of no demand), therefore no tax revenue and government default 2. Hyperinflation like post ww1 Germany, that government just try print money out of its way to serve debt. One of the important reason the west has avoid these 2 disastrous scenario since the mid 80s after the stagflation of the 70s and early 80s (which I would like Mr Sailer to write something about his memories at that time), it’s by introducing mass immigration into their own countries. Benefits of mass immigration: 1 artificially pumped up the demand for revenue generated assets, especially real estate, those prevent an asset price collapse 2 artificially drove down real wage growth for ingenious people, fundamentally prevented the infamous wage-price spiral of the 70s, 3. By artificially pumped up the price of revenue generating assets while keeping the real wage growth to a minimum, the rich got significantly richer while making the working class people more and more powerless. On theory this sounds like a perfect scheme, unless it reaches the breaking point we have right now, which is that the new state is not the old state anymore. The other side to mass immigration is hyper globalization, but this reply is already too long. To conclude, always remember the only reason Liz Truss lasted shorter than an iceberg lettuce is because her budget spooked the British government debt (gilt) market, there was simply no other mistake.
"Librerals don't think very much about immigration" That may well be true but the problem is what they DO think about. Tranny rights, systemic racism and "Orange man bad" Ideas they obssess over while Trump lives rent-free in their heads. It's seems their need to believe in their own "goodness" makes them blind to realities on the ground even when those realities impact their sheltered lives. America used to tolerate these people if not actually need them just for a different perspective on life. But now is different. America is like a sick patient with bad habits that are making it sicker. At some point, the patient deteriorates beyond the point where quitting its bad habits is not enough. Measures have to be taken to actually cure the disease. Stopping illegal immigration, as important as it is will not be enough. We have to actively deport those here illegally. It will take clear eyes and a hard heart. Many illegals "are not bad people" but they ARE illegal and part of the problem. They must be found and deported aggressively enough that they start to self-deport. Remigration is the only thing that will keep this country from going the way of Britain, France and Germany. Countries the US arguably saved TWICE but have given up breeding, producing or having meaningful militaries. Britain has more horses in its military than tanks and I suspect the horses get more maintenance. Europe concerns itself with the conflict in Ukraine more than the conflict in its own cities. That is Americas future if we don't act quickly and decisively.
It's so weird to me that the West began its death spiral so soon after defeating and discrediting Soviet Communism. The ending of Hamlet?
Tony Blair usually gets the blame for deliberately turning the UK non-white, but they began importing Caribbeans and Asians for the new NHS long before. The Left needs to realize that brain-drain is far worse for the Third World than colonialism.
The brain drain never gets enough discussion. Countries get stuck with a small wealthy class and masses of the modern untouchables. Countries are being emptied out and cultures that lasted for centuries or millennial will be wiped out. It’s sad.
It is completely natural that the West began its death spiral after defeating the Soviet Union. Without international competition nothing prevents you from engaging in totally crazy ideas. On the other hand, having healthy competition puts a premium on good governance.
Wilson made pacifist noises before the 1916 election, right. But I think that was just because USA already then was a partly paralysed liberal democracy. So they needed the Zimmermann telegram to declare war. Unlike the situation in the 1840s, when declaring war on Mexico was still easy peasy.
Did you see the pictre of King Charles at the hospital last week. He's pictured outside the hospital opening with staff. Barely a European Brit in the picture.
The 'Neoliberals' believed communism was The Final Boss that liberal ideas had to defeat. It was The End of History. They were not worried about cultural and religious differences with Third World peoples. If there were places in Africa and the Middle East where women and gays did not have equality it was just because nasty dictators had passed nasty laws. Now every country in the world was going to be come a Western type democracy.....
The non blacks and Asians came to Britain for a better life. They mostly weren't invited at all*, but their migration was legal.
*There was a scheme to recruit some nurses for the NHS but that was years after the immigration began and was less than 1% of arrivals.
The reason Blair gets so much blame is because the original, out of control, non white immigration happened between 1948 and 1973. For the next 25 years it was controlled. In the general elections of 1992 and '97 immigration was barely mentioned.
During the 10 years Tony Blair was prime minister more foreigners settled in Britain than in the previous 1,000 years.
Re the brain-drain: The rulers of Third World countries are not trying to recruit the best and brightest of their people. They are just going to distribute the spoils of power to their relatives and clan members. So talented but not so well connected individuals naturally leave.
Too many people with too much time on their hands. The brain is pretty terrible about practical matters, whichever hemisphere is in charge of that stuff. We should all work more and think less.
Property developers and universities have a lot to do with it. An unholy alliance between bleeding hearts (who have never seen a brown person they didn’t like) and a rapacious rentier class that is reliant on an immigration Ponzi scheme and cares nothing for the countries it destroys.
Right, a lot of special interests were involved in the insane immigration explosion of the early 2020s.
But why didn't anybody notice?
It seemed to me that a lot of people noticed, but it was complicated and thus hard to talk about. The left liked it for obvious reasons, but many on the establishment right did, too. Employers like cheap labor. Landlords like higher rents and house prices. Businesses like more customers.
Steve, you know the perils of “noticing”.
Steve, people did notice. It’s just that the rentier class cynically used the bleeding heart left as its attack dog, in the same way the climate industry uses an autistic teenager as a form of human shield). To the observation, do we really want to import half the Indian subcontinent to Australia?, the inevitable reply was: “what, are you a raaaaaaacist?” (The correct answer to which is “well yes, of course I am, but I don’t see what that’s got to do with the wisdom of importing half the Indian subcontinent into Australia…).
We have done.
They control media. Post 1945, no-one in Germany was noticing all the members of NSDAP and SS who were filling the prestigious elite positions in the state, universities, media and industry. Until everyone who was in these organizations was 10 years retired. Same thing. That is what media control is about.
The guy who owns the rental property next door to me says he no longer will buy such properties in California. He believes the end game for California politicians is that everyone in the state will rent his residence from Blackrock.
It's quite genius actually--evil businessmen stopped advocating directly for their own interests and instead threw support behind the the party that ostensibly opposed them. Then they advocate for policies that don't benefit them directly, but are kind of bank shots.
Later they discovered they could get away with more direct policy as long as they worked with the "good guys"
Neoliberals and neoconservatives in all Western nations are deathly afraid that the native population is not having enough babies to provide new workers to finance the various social welfare and retirement systems (eg., social security in America). Believing in blank slate ideology, they reasoned that the system needed to bring in young immigrants - any young immigrants -to pay for the growing retiree population.
Universities needed more cash-paying or loan-eligible students to finance their burgeoning administrative bloat to provide jobs for mediocre elites.
The antiracist nonsense provided them a moral justification and made themselves feel less guilty about their own, often unearned, success.
This sounds like way too sophisticated of an argument. Do you think the average liberal thinks about demographics? Do you think the average liberal hasn’t noticed the decline in quality of services when you import the third world, say like truck drivers?
Considering the deepest blue areas have few blue collar or working class whites, it makes sense that elite urban whites do not think highly of the poorest, most rural whites.
There is a lot to dislike about the rural poor. The problem with the Left is that they think the pathologies that plague poor whites somehow don’t plague minorities or the millions of third world immigrants we are letting into the West. It is cognitive dissonance on an epic level.
I'm not sure what the "average liberal" notices but the hard left base of the Democrat Party has certainly noticed that their power to shame and gloat is slipping away fast! Couple that with disturbed children who have no memory of what this country was like 50 years ago but DO realise that they will never have what their parents were able to afford and you have a lot of resentment against the rest of us.
Everything he said I have heard liberals say--just not together in one sentence. Among the thinking libs a lot of them believe that the economy only works with the age distribution that existed in the mid to late 20th century. If the ratio of olds to youngs goes too high we will experience the vague entity called "collapse". No one wants collapse do they? It sounds scary.
If they really believed that they would have more children. If they do say it, I don’t think they believe it. Just some talking points to support the disaster that is the Democratic Party.
If they really believed in global warming they wouldn't fly on private jets. If I really thought there was a water shortage I wouldn't remove the flow restrictor from my shower head (for example--I would never do such a thing). When a policy requires everyone to do it to have an effect, all kinds of people opt out. And with the no babies problem there is a hack, just let in all the amazing productive nice culturally compatible people from around the world. After all, the only reason their countries aren't as nice as ours is because of the legacy of colonialism. We kind of owe it to them if you think about it.
After all, there is no such thing as race. It's all just magic dirt, white supremacy plus the evil colonialism effects that are more then enough to explain everything...
Average people only think about global questions only in ways that are prefigured by the media.
But with AI imminent and the data that immigrants consume more in services than they pay then why don’t they nudge them to re-migrate ?
AI is not imminent. A lot of it is recycling answers to frequently asked questions.
I agree with Heckler. If it isn’t already here, it’s a freight train heading our way. The future belongs to those that master the technology.
Self driving taxis will be here by 2031. Less demand for taxi drivers. Demand for cars will decline by 40% so many salespeople and others sellers will be surplus
China sees robots replacing workers from food production to making goods. Many of these gals have already been automated and the people who entered the West cannot contribute to these automations systems
A theory I heard for the UK has to do with govt debt. When selling debt the purchasers look at if there will be enough taxes over the 30 years to pay that debt. UK is aging rapidly and there will be a lot fewer taxpayers over the next 30 years. So add a lot of young foreigners who will work over the next 40-50 years. Well the bond market has figured out these young foreigners are not English men and instead of contributing taxes they consume taxes. Thus the UK sovereign debt crisis and talk of IMF bailout.
It is about entitlements as much as debt service.
Fortune sent me an article saying that the Trump tariffs are temporarily supporting our bond rating. I didn't realize the magnitude of them until then. I also haven't noticed additional bad consequences yet. Too bad they are probably unconstitutional.
I'd gladly pay the tariffs and higher prices as welfare at the cash register. But I wish they came with lower income taxes and commensurate reduction in government and regulation. I think the die is cast at this point.
lower taxes? Less government!?!? But there's always more good to be done! If they gave you a tax break you'd just waste it.
The Anglo-sphere is completely captured by international finance capitalism and the intrests of the Merchant Class.
Wall Street and The City of London are driving the open borders Globalisation project.
Yes but the motive for mass migration is ideological and philosophical. Once businesses and non-profits realized they’d benefit financially, they got on board and pushed for it.
When the Merchant Class are in control, short term profit intrests will trump everything.
If the nation state doesn't control international finance capitalism, international finance capitalism will control the nation state.
They are a factor but not the only one IMO (at least for Canada).
The Democrats want to increase the non white percentage of the population who they think will vote for them.
The Democrats (Judias and Teixeira) are the ones who came up with the basic replacement theory though Teixeira is now loudly proclaiming that they didn't mean replacement of working class whites in the Democrat Party. I suspect he's probably telling the truth because the great problem the Democrats faced when they wrote the Emerging Majority was the stubborn resistance of suburban upper middle-class whites to reliably vote Democrat. That could have been overcome by diluting their proportion of the vote with Democrat-leaning non-whites. As it actually happened, UMC whites rather than the working class as a whole have become among the most reliable Democrat voters so the theory of who was getting replaced had to be retconned, and then the whole thing imploded as non-whites started to vote more inline with their white economic and cultural peers.
1) Democrats have a hive mind. You go with the Woke or get crushed.
2) Democrats were in power, more specifically Alejandro Mayorkas was in power. Biden was just a puppet.
3) If you understand Mayorkas’s motivations you get your answer.
What do you think about other Anglosphere countries?
Well, I’m not paying $3 a month to Substack to think.
haha
You’re only paying $3/month for Steve?
I’m not sure exactly. Well worth it whatever the price.
If you add more warm body, "the line will go up" by sheer mathematics. It's this simple: iirc Boris Johnson justified the "Boris wave" as such.
Of course, low quality immigrants give you diminishing returns than high quality natives, e.g. Canada is experiencing the worst (and first?) per capita recession because south asians add to the total GDP less than the native.
The theory that mass immigration in the West is accidental doesn't fit with Europe's major powers pushing hard for Third World immigration in reluctant East European countries like Poland and Hungary.
Was immigration from Ireland still a thing in the 90's?
The Powers That Be knew what they were doing back then and they still do. They are just smart enough to not talk too much about their real goals in public.
BTW gen Alpha in the US is only 47% white so they are achieving their goals.
But confounding that is how many Hispanics think they are white. My impression is that well over 50% of American citizens identify as "white" despite what the demographers say.
Our host has written a lot about Flight From White and how fewer people identify as white to benefit from the perks of the new racial hierarchy.
Every Western nation slipping on the same banana peel and getting repeated blows to the ankles if they tried stepping around it (Orban) does not seem likely to be accidental.
UN International Office of Migration has set up in Seoul Korea and is pushing propaganda too. They're opening the country up with the current commie President.
England, and especially the south east of England rather than the north east (where I live) and rather than Wales and Scotland, is being overrun with third world immigrants, both legal and illegal. The only explanation I have is that whoever is running our corrupt and clueless government wants to collapse the economy and civil society, i.e. everyone’s trust in everyone else. And then…they will bring in the solution: digital id - the sheep will beg for this as it will come with a promise that all illegals will be deported, being super easy to track down as they won’t have the fantastic id with which all all true Brits will be tagged.
The illegals on the ‘small boats’ could be easily stopped (machine guns would be my preference) and all those that are already here would leave pretty quickly if all benefits, including free housing and health care, were withdrawn. Also, we could ban the burqa and halal meat, cousin marriage etc…But these solutions will not ever be considered by those who presently rule us, although promises may be made, as long as the native white population just agrees to sign up to the agenda. The West needs to rise up, unfortunately I can’t see this happening. The majority of us are too old, too fat, too addled by the covid jabs, or too brainwashed (again, see the covid scam for evidence of the sheep’s’ indoctrination).
I am 63, my husband of 40 years is 66, my son is 38 and unmarried and childless but with a good, work from home job and mainstream lefty views (although he agrees with me about the third world creatures). My dear daughter lives in France with her partner and son, her only child. My family is typical: of all my children’s friends very few have more than one child, many have none. I am one of six children, all of us boomers, with only eleven children between us - there are two autistic children amongst our grandchildren….so…I am not optimistic, instead extremely angry at the waste of our civilisation. Perhaps this collapse was inevitable, given how whites are far outnumbered world wide, and how easy it is nowadays for the hoards to invade Europe.
Thanks. For those with the patience (or commute time) to listen to podcasts, here is Louise Perry's 90' interview of counterinsurgency expert David Betz, "The Coming British Civil War." ("Maiden Mother Matriarch" Episode 124 on Apple Podcasts, etc.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gid48FgiHho
The Yookay, French, and German governing elites seems to be very concerned with this fallout of 'electing a new people.' U.S., Australian, etc. leadership seem ignorant or indifferent.
Who could have possibly foreseen that it would come to this? Except Lee Kuan Yew and Enoch Powell.
I do think that Betz is part of the elite plan of trying to poke the bear, I.e. they want to provoke us into doing something unorganised and chaotic, making us believe that it’s possible to fight them…I think if there is an uprising, it won’t be signalled on YouTube. (Also, it wouldn’t be a civil war - civil wars are between brothers; we would be fighting third world invaders, on the whole, unless we invade Parliament, which we also should of course…Not enough lampposts in Westminster.
We have digital ID in Denmark (and many other European countries). It is not a problem. It also doesn't solve the immigration problem, of course.
I’m worried that they will be able to introduce digital currency, and that combined with digital id could mean that they can cut off our bank accounts if we do anything the evil ones don’t approve of. I feel it could be a very slippery slope into totalitarianism, much like China. But then I think they probably don’t have the wherewithal - I’ve read that the data centres need a very great deal of power, the type that can’t be supplied by windmills and solar. It would certainly knock the green bo%%ocks on the head.
They can introduce digital currency. But it won't help with productivity - that is the core problem. The real problem for the West is that authoritarian China has better productivity growth. That is why the Ukraine war goes the way it goes.
Cashless payments do improve productivity in supermarkets. They also reduce the risk of (possibly violent) robbery.
That has to be balanced against far too much centralized knowledge about what we buy and where we are when. I'm not sure it's worth it.
Yeah, sure. On the other hand, people will start stocking up on gold and silver bullion and coins.
They can cut off your bank accounts whether there are cashless payments or not.
The data centers that eat a lot of energy are a different type than those needed for tracking payments/accounts. The latter job is very simple (except for the necessary concurrency and redundancy) -- you can basically have a couple of data centers with a single computer each and do fine.
The big energy consumer is data centers that do AI.
I disagree. I don't believe it's likely that government after government would intentionally destroy their own nation merely to introduce a digital ID scheme so as to better control the sheep they rule over. They could introduce such a scheme without first collapsing the economy and social capital. And remember that since governments change every few years you'd be handing over your cunning digital ID scheme to your ideological enemies. Or maybe you believe that all political parties are the same? I agree, the difference between Labour and the Conservatives hasn't been large over the past couple of decades and the term 'the uni-party' is a good one. However, to claim that there is NO difference or that Rerform and Advance are no different is silly.
I didn’t click there was no difference between parties; in my opinion however they all ‘installed’ and voters are ignored. British people have never been in favour of immigration, and we have always voted against it…However, here we are. What explanation do you have? Government incompetence? Yet the incompetent mistakes never favour ordinary white British people do they? I’m certainly not putting my faith in Reform as long as it is led by Mr Farage.
You're right that if it were pure incompetence then you wouldn't expect the mistakes to always be in the same direction. I agree with you there.
My own thought is that all humans, me included, always think they know best. This is especially true of politicians and other elites. But unlike me, they have the power to implement their know-it-all ideas. They all thought that as long as the economy was okay, and mass immigration was assisting in this, then the electorate would be happy, regardless of what we knuckle-dragging racists THOUGHT we believed about immigration. Give us enough cheap bread and circuses and we would forget all about immigration.
We now know that mass immigration from low IQ, backwards countries is a terrible idea, both economically and socially. Yet maybe for a while our immigrants weren't quite as awful as now. I'm thinking about the Kenyan and Ugandan Asians who arrived in the UK after being thrown out by Idi Amin and Kenyatta. They were industrious, highish IQ and were already well-disposed to the English way of life after living alongside the British in their African colonies. Also the number of these immigrants was relatively small and though most Brits were against even that, these first immigrants weren't as unpopular as our present Muslims or blacks, the latter having a very high crime rate.
What I'm saying is that politicians saw immigration as a temporary stop-gap to the labour shortages after WWI and then viewed it as an easy way to keep the economy going in the short term and to hell with the long term. By then they would be out of power anyway - or dead.
Later, most university educated people, including politicians, started to look down their noses at ethno-nationalism. Also Blair and the NEW Labour lot of 1997 saw immigration as a way of securing votes for Labour since most immigrants, especailly the low-skilled, low-IQ vote for parties that will give them lots of welfare. I think they also believed that with ever more contact with immigrants, our dislike of them would wear off.
I hate the politicians who did this to us, the Tories out of laziness and a lack of conviction and Labour because they think its cool to look down on the poor, native whites. But even though I despise them I don't believe their intention was ever to destroy Britain so that they could better control us. I think like all Utopians their imaginations only imagined the best of all possible scenarios and human nature would change. Instead we are now stuck with the consequences of their wrong social, wrong biological and wrong economic ideas.
Regarding Nigel Farage, my support for him is 90% while my support for Rupert Lowe, Ben Habib and Advance is 100%. Even so, Nigel Farage is a very experienced politician, has charisma and is very good in interviews. He is also cautious about scaring the centrist voter by moving too quickly to policies most of us want. The Overton Window can't be opened wide too soon. Even though I want mass deportations, I understand why Farage was loathe to back that policy too quickly in case the normies of the centre suddenly thought, 'This is like the BNP or National Front. I don't want this'. However, once it became clear that even the normies have had enough of Islamists and it became likely that Advance would outflank Reform to their right, Farage decided the time was right to back that policy.
I understand Rupert Lowe and I understand you too, but politics is not always about putting your cards on the table. If you naively just always say what you believe with no consideration to how this will be spun in the Mainstream media then your rising party might soon become a has-been.
In short I will definitely be voting for Farage and Reform at the next election, even though Advance reflects my own views better. Advance is too small and doesn't have anyone of Farage's stature, presence or name-recognition. And did you see the way Farage handled the hostile questions in the US senate this week? He just laughed the whole thing off like it was water off a duck's back and made his points clearly and with good humour. I think both Rupert and Ben would have become upset at the unfairness of the questioning, as I would too, but that isn't a good look for a politician. You have to have a skin like a rhinocerus, as Trump does.
Well, I hope you are right about Mr Farage. I don’t trust him because of how he behaved during the covid scam (went along as if he believed every lying word of it - was that because he didn’t want to scare the ‘normies’ or open that window too wide?) Less disturbingly, he doesn’t seem to be able to deal with people who disagree with him, such as Rupert Lowe - very odd what went on there. Anyway, we live in interesting times. If it wasn’t so scary and awful I’d be buying in the popcorn. As it is, I feel I should be buying lots of tinned meat and dried eggs….
I didn't know (and still don't) what Farage did during the Covid 'scam'. The truth is that it's easy to be wise after the event. Now we all know that the response overblown, even if it wasn't exactly a scam. (I think this is all part of your control theory). I attribute the exaggerated reaction of all countries bar Sweden to the fact that politicians will often be criticised by the general public for being too lax and reckless but rarely for being overly cautious. We now live in a very risk-averse society where politicans have to answer questions like, 'Why did you let my grandfather die of Covid? You should have safeguarded him by doing yadda yadda yadda'. Politicians then think, 'Oh, f*** it. Let's just lock everyone up, then they can't blame me when their 95-year-old granddad dies'.
For my own part, I never treated it seriously. I almost hoped it was an existential threat as I've always had a secret desire to live through one of those End-of-the-World 'survivor' scenarios. I could picture myself setting traps and living all alone in a stone hovel. Not only do I have confidence in my own immune system, but I could also see with my own eyes that the authorities, despite the all the catastrophising talk, were standing next to each other and having parties etc. You wouldn't do this during the bubonic plague. Instead you would desolve parliament and head for the Outer Hebrides.
You're right about the way Farage doesn't appear to like having a rival near him. Hard to say if this is an important political failing or not. I'm guessing that neither Julius Caesar nor Napoleon liked sharing the limelight with equals but they achieved a lot before finally being murdered or exiled. So do I think Nigel is another Caesar or Napoleon? Nope. Does it bother me that he wants to be the undisputed leader? Nope. Just so long as he achieves what I want him to achieve (i.e. returning Britain to how it was in the 1950's but with better dental care and modern anaesthetics) then I'll be happy.
I sometimes fantasize that since the reason we were flooded with immigrants was because they only wanted a better life for themselves and their families, perhaps if we could make Britain so poor that it was no longer attractive to economic migrants then they might look around the world, see somewhere richer like Canada, and decide to up sticks and leave impoverished Britain. Our island would then be inhabited only by those who are here, not for economic reasons, but because it is, and always will be, our home, regardless how awful things get. So, bring on the tinned meat and dry eggs!
My sister and I did reproduce ourselves. I had two, and they each have two. My sister had four and has nine grandchildren.
I think you are right about average everyday liberals and even most politicians, that it was simple bleeding heart emotion, but I also think a smaller subset of politicians was more nefarious and definitely more calculating. That group knew very well that the state of the world in most countries is comprised of an overclass and an underclass and if normal Americans were going to be uppity and not allow themselves to be perpetually ruled over, then by god we’ll just import our own group of people who will. And we will reward them with public benefits in return, paid for by all the racists who already live here.
The small group of people in charge of the democrat party are too smart *not* to know what they were doing, while the people who blindly follow them, who have mostly been brainwashed by liberal and non-racist pieties over the past 50 years, don’t know and don’t care.
Not everything is about social control. You have such things as international competition too. If the West is failing international competition, it is doomed. Just look at the Soviet Union from 1945 to 1990. Social control didn't help it.
My two cents: this mass immigration madness all stems from mmt, that government prints fiat money entirely anchored on national debt. To continue keep money printer going, they need people to buy their debt. Two most important things when anyone invest in debt: 1. Inflation is not out of control (the fiat money would keep its value 2. The government would actually pay back the debt when the debt is due, classically, in societies like the current west and Japan, when people stops to have children, normally two things would happen 1. Asset price collapse (because of no demand), therefore no tax revenue and government default 2. Hyperinflation like post ww1 Germany, that government just try print money out of its way to serve debt. One of the important reason the west has avoid these 2 disastrous scenario since the mid 80s after the stagflation of the 70s and early 80s (which I would like Mr Sailer to write something about his memories at that time), it’s by introducing mass immigration into their own countries. Benefits of mass immigration: 1 artificially pumped up the demand for revenue generated assets, especially real estate, those prevent an asset price collapse 2 artificially drove down real wage growth for ingenious people, fundamentally prevented the infamous wage-price spiral of the 70s, 3. By artificially pumped up the price of revenue generating assets while keeping the real wage growth to a minimum, the rich got significantly richer while making the working class people more and more powerless. On theory this sounds like a perfect scheme, unless it reaches the breaking point we have right now, which is that the new state is not the old state anymore. The other side to mass immigration is hyper globalization, but this reply is already too long. To conclude, always remember the only reason Liz Truss lasted shorter than an iceberg lettuce is because her budget spooked the British government debt (gilt) market, there was simply no other mistake.
"shorter than an iceberg lettuce" -- wonderful!
Anti-White animus on the part of our hostile elite, to paraphrase Kmac.
"Librerals don't think very much about immigration" That may well be true but the problem is what they DO think about. Tranny rights, systemic racism and "Orange man bad" Ideas they obssess over while Trump lives rent-free in their heads. It's seems their need to believe in their own "goodness" makes them blind to realities on the ground even when those realities impact their sheltered lives. America used to tolerate these people if not actually need them just for a different perspective on life. But now is different. America is like a sick patient with bad habits that are making it sicker. At some point, the patient deteriorates beyond the point where quitting its bad habits is not enough. Measures have to be taken to actually cure the disease. Stopping illegal immigration, as important as it is will not be enough. We have to actively deport those here illegally. It will take clear eyes and a hard heart. Many illegals "are not bad people" but they ARE illegal and part of the problem. They must be found and deported aggressively enough that they start to self-deport. Remigration is the only thing that will keep this country from going the way of Britain, France and Germany. Countries the US arguably saved TWICE but have given up breeding, producing or having meaningful militaries. Britain has more horses in its military than tanks and I suspect the horses get more maintenance. Europe concerns itself with the conflict in Ukraine more than the conflict in its own cities. That is Americas future if we don't act quickly and decisively.
It's so weird to me that the West began its death spiral so soon after defeating and discrediting Soviet Communism. The ending of Hamlet?
Tony Blair usually gets the blame for deliberately turning the UK non-white, but they began importing Caribbeans and Asians for the new NHS long before. The Left needs to realize that brain-drain is far worse for the Third World than colonialism.
The brain drain never gets enough discussion. Countries get stuck with a small wealthy class and masses of the modern untouchables. Countries are being emptied out and cultures that lasted for centuries or millennial will be wiped out. It’s sad.
A place like India can export an awful lot without any detrimental effect. It’s a big source for Canada.
It is completely natural that the West began its death spiral after defeating the Soviet Union. Without international competition nothing prevents you from engaging in totally crazy ideas. On the other hand, having healthy competition puts a premium on good governance.
We did alright before 1917...well 1913.
Wilson made pacifist noises before the 1916 election, right. But I think that was just because USA already then was a partly paralysed liberal democracy. So they needed the Zimmermann telegram to declare war. Unlike the situation in the 1840s, when declaring war on Mexico was still easy peasy.
Did you see the pictre of King Charles at the hospital last week. He's pictured outside the hospital opening with staff. Barely a European Brit in the picture.
The 'Neoliberals' believed communism was The Final Boss that liberal ideas had to defeat. It was The End of History. They were not worried about cultural and religious differences with Third World peoples. If there were places in Africa and the Middle East where women and gays did not have equality it was just because nasty dictators had passed nasty laws. Now every country in the world was going to be come a Western type democracy.....
The non blacks and Asians came to Britain for a better life. They mostly weren't invited at all*, but their migration was legal.
*There was a scheme to recruit some nurses for the NHS but that was years after the immigration began and was less than 1% of arrivals.
The reason Blair gets so much blame is because the original, out of control, non white immigration happened between 1948 and 1973. For the next 25 years it was controlled. In the general elections of 1992 and '97 immigration was barely mentioned.
During the 10 years Tony Blair was prime minister more foreigners settled in Britain than in the previous 1,000 years.
Re the brain-drain: The rulers of Third World countries are not trying to recruit the best and brightest of their people. They are just going to distribute the spoils of power to their relatives and clan members. So talented but not so well connected individuals naturally leave.
Too many people with too much time on their hands. The brain is pretty terrible about practical matters, whichever hemisphere is in charge of that stuff. We should all work more and think less.