I’m imagining a meeting between J.J. and Nikole H.-J. where she is explaining the burden he’s been carrying all of his life while J.J.’s wife is asking if she’d like cream in her coffee and the girls are wondering why this woman talks funny. Americans truly live on different planets.
Do the feds know if NPR is preset on our car radios? We could use that to facilitate the great “sorting “ event that surely is in our future.
I don't follow golf but a 317 yard drive on the 17th hole, and a 64' putt to birdie the 18th is pretty darn impressive. Especially when worried about an ill child.
Agree that J.J. Spaun's last two holes at Oakmont was one of the great clutch performances in the last 30+ years. Add to that the weather was not good (spotty rain that can affect the golf club grips) and the hardest U.S. Open course (Oakmont), really highlights his exceptional performance when it really needed to count. And the only golfer in the field to finish under par for the tournament!
Things have to get really bad for a democracy to self-correct, so we should thank Biden's autopen.
The military was once held up as a model of non-discrimination but is now the biggest holdout of DEI. They just couldn't get enough blacks into the officer corps or its top brass. Instead, minorities with leadership skills who could have had long productive careers as senior non-coms were drummed out early in their careers or promoted well above their capacity (Lloyd Austin). Lose-lose.
It took a long time but a lot of naive whites came to realize that few blacks were as nice as Sidney Poitier and many were closer to being like Jesse Jackson, Reverand Al Sharpton, your average NFL football player, Snoop Dog, Tupac Shakur, Diddy Combs and a host of other aspiring rappers and gangbangers. Many whites also came to realize that incompetent blacks were getting jobs just because of their race fitting in with certain quotas. The crime and cities ruined from Detroit to Baltimore to St. Louis to Chicago also changed attitudes. As Peter Finch screamed in "Network" long ago, "I'm mad as hell and I'm going to take it anymore." That's where a majority of whites are right now in relation to the black race.
The thing is, now that they're mad as hell and starting not to take it, legally speaking, where do they go from there? Do they become tribalistic and begin to adopt a more siding with their own race in the same way as blacks? Or do they adopt another way? The thing is, another way is only short term and won't begin to address the decades long problems that have been largely caused by the 60's Civil Rights Acts, EEOC, and other government instituted proto-DEI policies.
The long term way is going to have to eventually address the possibility of dismantling the entire edifice of the Civil Rights legislation, and bring it back to a more manageable level. If whites collectively don't yet realize that this is will have to be done over time, then they'll be stuck in having to bear more and more DEI, Reverse Discriminatory policies in the future.
Samuel Francis addressed these questions some decades ago in questions directed to him; perhaps its time that whites as a whole starting looking at these answers as potential long term solutions to rolling back the entire Civil Rights edifice.
Lots of virtue signaling whites supported DEI because they thought they were burrowed in enough to avoid the consequences for themselves and their kids. The election of Trump probably halted the day of reckoning that was coming for them and thus there are still loads that have not learned the lessons they need to absorb to kill it off permanently. Normies of all races tend to get along fine because they work in unsexy jobs where DEI is not applied at all, so they have learned to just take people as individuals and I suspect a fair number of blacks are glad to separate themselves from the losers of their race.
Regarding that last part of your final sentence, one can only hope. Because in Derbyshire's The Talk, he mentions that blacks have strong solidarity and will collectively side with their own vs a random white person (even with the "losers" of their race). The old saying is truly apt--"they may be a bad so and so, but they're OUR so and so" Look at OJ verdict, and pretty much all the trials over the last several decades. You simply don't see any significant percentage of blacks collectively supporting a non-black over one of their own, particularly if one of their own is in trouble with the law. It isn't happening, and probably won't happen for a long time. They side with their own, period. The white powers that be don't really have to gin up blacks to manipulate them vs whitey; they have a few centuries of what they perceive as slights, to outright indignities. That's their default position--if something went bad in life, its pretty much automatically whitey's fault.
I think were Steve sort of pulled his punch is that blacks for the most part are tribalistic, and have a sense of consciously being aware that they are black, and all that that entails. From a young age, they've been told by their own that the US is institutionally racist and stacked vs them, and they've been told that for a very long time. It didn't just start with BLM, and other advocacy groups.
Now, obviously, all blacks don't ascribe to this mindset at the extreme level, but, that level is there. They truly DO believe it at some level, and it can always come out on a more personal level whenever they don't get something thru their hard work, or in something that they had hoped to achieve.
And of course it really is like 6 degrees of separation. Because of the high incarceration rate of young black males, pretty much every single black has at least one relative somewhere that was in jail or is currently serving a sentence, while the same cannot be stated about white people as a whole.
All good points. I guess I would say that the percentage of reflexively tribal blacks is dropping, at least with men. Not a majority, but I think in the middle there appears to me to be a non-negligible share of black men that are over the “everything is someone else’s fault” mentality that drives a lot of black politics.
It’s dropping, …for now. The true test will be when another black man running for public office comes along who is perceived to be masculine, and yet remains true to his 100% blackness. When such a day arrives, then expect to see the democratic candidate receive well over 95% of the total black vote.
After all, what exactly can the Republican Party, which is in 2025 the white party by default offer blacks collectively as a whole? Very little actually. What can the Democratic Party offer blacks collectively as a whole? A share of their coalition, a seat at the local (read leaders of urban cities and districts) table.
Facts speak louder than wishful thinking. Until that day arrives, expect the democrats to continue to receive the vast majority of the black vote as a whole. After all, trump offered them the Platinum Plan in 2020 and they turned him down by voting democratic by overwhelmingly large margins.
I'm not a high-achiever but I've participated in some brutally competitive career and non-career endeavors. In my experience if the organization stays mission-focused the Diversity takes care of itself. People from all races and walks of life will near kill themselves to get onboard a respected, mission-focused endeavor or institution.
Once Diversity becomes the mission the Talented Tenth get skimmed off, there's actually less Diversity, the mission is compromised, and nobody's happy.
Also, let me toot my own horn again for highlighting Trump's use of the Sailer 2.0 Strategy before Sailer did: it turns out black, latino, and Arby's-American men don't like being lectured by NKJ and her liberal white friends either. You're welcome Steve.
Yes. I was shocked to learn recently that the reason liberal friends of my generation are for these race based preferences is that they truly cannot conceive that these laws are doing anything other than counteracting unfair racist hiring decisions.
Andy Rooney said, back when ever he was alive (feels like decades ago) that the reason the civil rights movement succeeded was that even people who didn't care much for blacks, saw that it was unfair that they not get a even shake under the law.
OTOH, Thomas Sowell, in "Preferential Policies" (late 1980s, I think), listed several countries in which the policies (like our "affirmative action") were directed in favor of the majority, against an embarrassingly successful minority (like overseas Chinese). That book made it obvious that the point of preferences was never to remove an unfair advantage that one group had; it was to use the law to make the stats more even for the less genetically/culturally lucky.
I think the point of preferences is to enrich your in-group.
It's like what feminism was really about was not EEO for women; it was about getting high-achieving women around high-status men who might otherwise prefer to date the less ambitious secretary and have her raise his kids.
That may have been feminism 100 years ago. Along with getting the vote, simplifying divorce proceedings, opening the job market, daycare for kids and birth control. Feminism today, post-Andrea Dworkin, is being an entitled, childless cat lady.
Second wave feminism (if I'm getting the waves correct--you know 1960s feminism) was about getting masculine women to have the alternative path of a male style career. A friend who was able to digest some of the material told be, contrast to now, that the authors emphasized that with these rights would come responsibilities.
Also AA for blacks in America was driven by whites, so it didn't enrich us in anything but smugness.
This. This is also why there’s hysteria whenever an educated or wealthy man has a relationship with a much younger woman and there’s concerns of abuse. I’m thinking of that Harvard professor who was fired for basically dating a much younger woman.
"Spaun has a German-American father and a half-Filipino and half-Mexican mother. But unlike Keanu Reeves, he didn’t get quite as obviously as triumphant of a combinations of genes"
In general, I've noticed that really good-looking part-Asian people tend to have white mothers.
I think Trump is successful with DEI initiatives out of part exhaustion... and white upper level libs are watching their sons paying the price/getting overlooked. All was good until it applied to them and their offspring?
Unscientific, but my (white) son went to a very liberal private high school. They are now in their junior summer at college, and landing a paid internship in their major is everything. Based on his group of ten high school friends, I noticed that some had to settle for something remote/online, or third tier companies. And even in those cases, mom or dad worked their connections to get something for them and made phone calls. These are kids at top schools and doing well, I might add. The minorities from his high school class breezed into top internships that were decided last fall for this summer. By no means is corporate DEI dead, folks.
I’m imagining a meeting between J.J. and Nikole H.-J. where she is explaining the burden he’s been carrying all of his life while J.J.’s wife is asking if she’d like cream in her coffee and the girls are wondering why this woman talks funny. Americans truly live on different planets.
Do the feds know if NPR is preset on our car radios? We could use that to facilitate the great “sorting “ event that surely is in our future.
I used to have NPR on my car radio preset just to avoid commercials but satellite radio has put an end to that!
I don't follow golf but a 317 yard drive on the 17th hole, and a 64' putt to birdie the 18th is pretty darn impressive. Especially when worried about an ill child.
Agree that J.J. Spaun's last two holes at Oakmont was one of the great clutch performances in the last 30+ years. Add to that the weather was not good (spotty rain that can affect the golf club grips) and the hardest U.S. Open course (Oakmont), really highlights his exceptional performance when it really needed to count. And the only golfer in the field to finish under par for the tournament!
Things have to get really bad for a democracy to self-correct, so we should thank Biden's autopen.
The military was once held up as a model of non-discrimination but is now the biggest holdout of DEI. They just couldn't get enough blacks into the officer corps or its top brass. Instead, minorities with leadership skills who could have had long productive careers as senior non-coms were drummed out early in their careers or promoted well above their capacity (Lloyd Austin). Lose-lose.
It took a long time but a lot of naive whites came to realize that few blacks were as nice as Sidney Poitier and many were closer to being like Jesse Jackson, Reverand Al Sharpton, your average NFL football player, Snoop Dog, Tupac Shakur, Diddy Combs and a host of other aspiring rappers and gangbangers. Many whites also came to realize that incompetent blacks were getting jobs just because of their race fitting in with certain quotas. The crime and cities ruined from Detroit to Baltimore to St. Louis to Chicago also changed attitudes. As Peter Finch screamed in "Network" long ago, "I'm mad as hell and I'm going to take it anymore." That's where a majority of whites are right now in relation to the black race.
The thing is, now that they're mad as hell and starting not to take it, legally speaking, where do they go from there? Do they become tribalistic and begin to adopt a more siding with their own race in the same way as blacks? Or do they adopt another way? The thing is, another way is only short term and won't begin to address the decades long problems that have been largely caused by the 60's Civil Rights Acts, EEOC, and other government instituted proto-DEI policies.
The long term way is going to have to eventually address the possibility of dismantling the entire edifice of the Civil Rights legislation, and bring it back to a more manageable level. If whites collectively don't yet realize that this is will have to be done over time, then they'll be stuck in having to bear more and more DEI, Reverse Discriminatory policies in the future.
Samuel Francis addressed these questions some decades ago in questions directed to him; perhaps its time that whites as a whole starting looking at these answers as potential long term solutions to rolling back the entire Civil Rights edifice.
Lots of virtue signaling whites supported DEI because they thought they were burrowed in enough to avoid the consequences for themselves and their kids. The election of Trump probably halted the day of reckoning that was coming for them and thus there are still loads that have not learned the lessons they need to absorb to kill it off permanently. Normies of all races tend to get along fine because they work in unsexy jobs where DEI is not applied at all, so they have learned to just take people as individuals and I suspect a fair number of blacks are glad to separate themselves from the losers of their race.
Regarding that last part of your final sentence, one can only hope. Because in Derbyshire's The Talk, he mentions that blacks have strong solidarity and will collectively side with their own vs a random white person (even with the "losers" of their race). The old saying is truly apt--"they may be a bad so and so, but they're OUR so and so" Look at OJ verdict, and pretty much all the trials over the last several decades. You simply don't see any significant percentage of blacks collectively supporting a non-black over one of their own, particularly if one of their own is in trouble with the law. It isn't happening, and probably won't happen for a long time. They side with their own, period. The white powers that be don't really have to gin up blacks to manipulate them vs whitey; they have a few centuries of what they perceive as slights, to outright indignities. That's their default position--if something went bad in life, its pretty much automatically whitey's fault.
I think were Steve sort of pulled his punch is that blacks for the most part are tribalistic, and have a sense of consciously being aware that they are black, and all that that entails. From a young age, they've been told by their own that the US is institutionally racist and stacked vs them, and they've been told that for a very long time. It didn't just start with BLM, and other advocacy groups.
Now, obviously, all blacks don't ascribe to this mindset at the extreme level, but, that level is there. They truly DO believe it at some level, and it can always come out on a more personal level whenever they don't get something thru their hard work, or in something that they had hoped to achieve.
And of course it really is like 6 degrees of separation. Because of the high incarceration rate of young black males, pretty much every single black has at least one relative somewhere that was in jail or is currently serving a sentence, while the same cannot be stated about white people as a whole.
All good points. I guess I would say that the percentage of reflexively tribal blacks is dropping, at least with men. Not a majority, but I think in the middle there appears to me to be a non-negligible share of black men that are over the “everything is someone else’s fault” mentality that drives a lot of black politics.
It’s dropping, …for now. The true test will be when another black man running for public office comes along who is perceived to be masculine, and yet remains true to his 100% blackness. When such a day arrives, then expect to see the democratic candidate receive well over 95% of the total black vote.
After all, what exactly can the Republican Party, which is in 2025 the white party by default offer blacks collectively as a whole? Very little actually. What can the Democratic Party offer blacks collectively as a whole? A share of their coalition, a seat at the local (read leaders of urban cities and districts) table.
Facts speak louder than wishful thinking. Until that day arrives, expect the democrats to continue to receive the vast majority of the black vote as a whole. After all, trump offered them the Platinum Plan in 2020 and they turned him down by voting democratic by overwhelmingly large margins.
I'm not a high-achiever but I've participated in some brutally competitive career and non-career endeavors. In my experience if the organization stays mission-focused the Diversity takes care of itself. People from all races and walks of life will near kill themselves to get onboard a respected, mission-focused endeavor or institution.
Once Diversity becomes the mission the Talented Tenth get skimmed off, there's actually less Diversity, the mission is compromised, and nobody's happy.
Also, let me toot my own horn again for highlighting Trump's use of the Sailer 2.0 Strategy before Sailer did: it turns out black, latino, and Arby's-American men don't like being lectured by NKJ and her liberal white friends either. You're welcome Steve.
Yes. I was shocked to learn recently that the reason liberal friends of my generation are for these race based preferences is that they truly cannot conceive that these laws are doing anything other than counteracting unfair racist hiring decisions.
Andy Rooney said, back when ever he was alive (feels like decades ago) that the reason the civil rights movement succeeded was that even people who didn't care much for blacks, saw that it was unfair that they not get a even shake under the law.
OTOH, Thomas Sowell, in "Preferential Policies" (late 1980s, I think), listed several countries in which the policies (like our "affirmative action") were directed in favor of the majority, against an embarrassingly successful minority (like overseas Chinese). That book made it obvious that the point of preferences was never to remove an unfair advantage that one group had; it was to use the law to make the stats more even for the less genetically/culturally lucky.
I think the point of preferences is to enrich your in-group.
It's like what feminism was really about was not EEO for women; it was about getting high-achieving women around high-status men who might otherwise prefer to date the less ambitious secretary and have her raise his kids.
Excellent observation.
That may have been feminism 100 years ago. Along with getting the vote, simplifying divorce proceedings, opening the job market, daycare for kids and birth control. Feminism today, post-Andrea Dworkin, is being an entitled, childless cat lady.
Second wave feminism (if I'm getting the waves correct--you know 1960s feminism) was about getting masculine women to have the alternative path of a male style career. A friend who was able to digest some of the material told be, contrast to now, that the authors emphasized that with these rights would come responsibilities.
Also AA for blacks in America was driven by whites, so it didn't enrich us in anything but smugness.
This. This is also why there’s hysteria whenever an educated or wealthy man has a relationship with a much younger woman and there’s concerns of abuse. I’m thinking of that Harvard professor who was fired for basically dating a much younger woman.
I suppose Nikole Hannah-Jones could just put J.J. down as white adjacent.
"Spaun has a German-American father and a half-Filipino and half-Mexican mother. But unlike Keanu Reeves, he didn’t get quite as obviously as triumphant of a combinations of genes"
In general, I've noticed that really good-looking part-Asian people tend to have white mothers.
I think Trump is successful with DEI initiatives out of part exhaustion... and white upper level libs are watching their sons paying the price/getting overlooked. All was good until it applied to them and their offspring?
Unscientific, but my (white) son went to a very liberal private high school. They are now in their junior summer at college, and landing a paid internship in their major is everything. Based on his group of ten high school friends, I noticed that some had to settle for something remote/online, or third tier companies. And even in those cases, mom or dad worked their connections to get something for them and made phone calls. These are kids at top schools and doing well, I might add. The minorities from his high school class breezed into top internships that were decided last fall for this summer. By no means is corporate DEI dead, folks.