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David Simon's avatar

Not sure too many Black shooters read the NYT. Maybe the cryptic crosstic but not much else

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AngloVermonter's avatar

We need a thoroughgoing analysis of the BLM phenomenon, city by city.

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Tina Trent's avatar

I'm happy to help. But I'm worn out after decades of this. I would need a working group.

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Austin Ruse's avatar

Whatever happened to the mass shooting database?

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Ralph L's avatar

They called them "family annihilators" on "Criminal Minds," but I've no idea if that's official FBI lingo. Seriously disturbed. That show had a fair number of interesting crimes, many based on life, but of course it degenerated into soap opera about the regular cast members, who all became targets multiple times. The weirdest thing to me was that a show about serial killers (many of the crazy women) and its ads were aimed at a female audience. The last damsel was always saved in the final minutes--too bad!

The scattershot mass shooter wants general panic to help his getaway. It isn't a bad idea, if you have no conscience.

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YojimboZatoichi's avatar

"Seriously, that’s the kind of news that doesn’t fit."

But is it the kind of news that's fit to print?

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Boulevardier's avatar

Perhaps indirectly, in that nice liberal whites bought into the idea that hundreds of scholars and aspiring rappers were being mowed down by the cops every year, so depolicing is a great idea that will save innocent black lives and not have any negative downstream effects for society at large.

One of the hallmarks of elite whites and their institutions is that they really do not understand the people they claim to care about and adopt narratives that boost status but are divorced from unpleasant facts. Given their influence this has given fuel to massive errors in our culture and politics, and attempts to correct them are painted as retrograde bigotry.

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Derek Leaberry's avatar

Blacks should take up the wisdom of Sista Souljah who said thirty-three years ago that "if black people kill black people every day, why not have a week and kill white people?" I've never heard of a more elegant proposal. It makes so much sense. For instance, Baltimore blacks could take off a week shooting up Charm City, head up Route 83 a half an hour's drive, and shoot up York, PA for a week.

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Tina Trent's avatar

Why? Would they meet opposition? Consequences?

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Derek Leaberry's avatar

I was being facetious.

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Tina Trent's avatar

I was just wondering if there was some special meaning to York, PA.

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Derek Leaberry's avatar

York PA used to be a very white small town and is half an hour north of Baltimore on Route 83. Over the past forty years, York has become heavily Hispanic like a lot of Pennsylvania small towns.

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Tina Trent's avatar

So it's the conundrum that arose in LA and is now playing out in Chicago. Hispanic gangs drive black gangs out, without the niceties?

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Tina Trent's avatar

Absolutely. We hate-readers of the NYT call it the Fox Butterfied effect. I've been writing about it forever at my old eponymous blog and on now-disappeared podcasts. I wrote an entire dissertation about it and had to threaten to sue to matriculate. Oddly, a truly principled free-speech socialist law professor, and a conservative, famous, former feminist/Stalinist professor were equally helpful in advising me to apply the right pressure. I hate everyone else at that hellmouth of a purported school. Including the fake conservatives now high-ranking in Conservatism, Inc.

The Times has promotes falsehoods about rehabilitation and de-incarceration since the mid-Sixties crime wave ramped up. They have advocated for the release and valorization of leftist and minority domestic terrorists since the late Sixties, and, much more destructively by body count, legislation based on that ideology to de-incarcerate and selectively demonize police, and not the police's leftist elected superiors. It is the decent poor and others of all races who suffer.

I could, and have, said a lot more, but to offer just a few examples, see the much-revised Kitty Genovese books by NTY editor Abe Rosenthal falsely blaming her neighbors; efforts by the Times to release Weathermen and BLA or more importantly hide their real crimes (Bernardine Dohrn is a killer and Michelle Obama's ten-year keeper -- yet her last Times story was about how she loves feeding her kids home-made jam. Dohrn used a false ID at a baby shop to rent the cars for the Brinks murders. Ayers, Obama's 8-year almostly nightly mentor, was only prevented from killing many blacks and whites in Detroit by the courageous FBI plant Larry Grathwohl, RIP. The Times has also advocated for the release or repatriation of every elite cop-killer terrorist for decades, from Marilyn Buck to Angela Davis to Susan Rosenberg and many others). This all reinforces a toxic, upper-class zeitgeist.

The Times has been promoting divisive racialist root-causes and other idiotic Butterman themes that do not match marriage, crime, and other early-Sixties statistical racial normalization, for more than 50 years. They use their stable of upper and middle-class columnists to sow and recredential race hatred and murder -- by blacks, of whites and blacks.

I think James Baldwin would puke at their willingness to help foment more race hatred and justify black-on-black killing culture. Absolutely vomit. And then there's the Chicago papers, bravely opposed by former cop Martin Prieb; Boston journalists supporting torturer-rapist Benjamin LaGuer, even after the DNA proved him guilty: both Noam Chomsky and conservative hero John Silber supported releasing LaGuer anyway, and Silber gave him an honorary degree despite acknowledging his guilt. Silber actually said that LaGuer should be released despite being guilty because the rapist had convinced himself that he was innocent. The one journalist honest enough to contact me after the DNA said that he went to bed, pulled the covers over his head, and mourned for a week after the DNA. He had demonized the elderly victim for being a racist though she easily identified her attacker, as he was living next door with his dad. The city turned on her; it is suspected the mayor helped LaGuer patch through a call to her deathbed, pretending to be a priest, then sexually and racially abused her more over the phone. From prison.

The serial killer I survived was released early five times, and the ACLU got his life sentence

overturned on a miniscule paperwork error. I've checked his status every week for decades. I'll be there if he ever gets out. The media is the new KKK. We are half a century into a new lynching era. Of course they are responsible for the rise in violence. We should start naming and databasing their victims.

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barnabus's avatar

Steve, r^2 = 0.29 (r = +0.54) is very substantial indeed. Moreover, you'll probably get an even better orrelation if you do a 3 year following average for NYT quotes (ie compare mass shootings in 2020 with average NYT quotes for 2018, 2019 and 2020 and so on). The technique is in common use in sensory physiology etc where many picked up signals discriminate for novelty. So one needs time integration to reveal the underlying change of state.

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Erik's avatar

But did it reduce police shootings of unarmed blacks? And did increase donut sales? Here in LA most of the independent donut shops are owned and run by hardworking Cambodian refugees. So you know, if you want to focus on the bad (net additional murders of young black men) you can make anything sound bad.

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Jerome's avatar

It seems far more likely that the NYT publishing lots of BLM mentions and the rise in BOB shootings are both effects of some more general cause, rather than that either one directly caused the other. This would still show a strong correlation.

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barnabus's avatar

r^2 of 0.30 or better is already a strong correlation. Let's say A and B are both caused by C. If A and B already correlate with an r^2 of 0.30, correlations between A and C and B and C start verging on astronomical, like the IQ of separately adopted, orphaned identical twins. You are a hair breadth away from verifying Curtis Yarvin's Cathedral Hypothesis.

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