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Estate of Bob Saget's avatar

problem for GOP is stopping bleeding in wealthier subarbs. Look at Hamilton County in Indiana

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Derek Leaberry's avatar

Stylistically, Trump drives moderate suburban women away from the Republicans. I wonder if JD Vance will do better with moderate suburban women in 2028.

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countenanceblog the expat's avatar

But why though? Seems to me that Romney lost with them, Trump won without them. The message is that they're the kiss of death.

The problem with that demographic is that they put pressure on you to avoid populism and nationalism. The reason there's so much yammering about them is that they happen to be the demographic that are the big subscribers and donors to normiecon publications, groups and foundations.

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Derek Leaberry's avatar

Romney did better with upscale Republicans while Trump did much better with the white working class. Apparently, there are more voters in the white working class than in upscale Republicans, especially since most Democratic politicians have given up on soaking the rich. Think about it this way. The Bush family and the Cheney family voted for Romney. They did not vote for Trump.

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Steve Campbell's avatar

Living in N. Texas, I have many legal immigrant friends and employees, some long time and some very recent. They have, after some time, all gone through the process and have some sort of government permission to be here from citizenship to work permits. None of them are anxious to support the illegal entry into the country, not only by Hispanics but the large numbers of unknown people illegally coming from China, the middle east, Africa and the Carribean. The other complaint I have seen from my Hispanic buddies is their disbelief in the trans movement, especially men in women's sports. If we just treat the Democrats as the loons they are and forget pandering to one group or another, the sane members of that group will vote Republican, or at least, not Democrat.

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The Anti-Gnostic's avatar

I called this the Sailer Strategy 2.0, and remarked at the time that Trump and Vance deployed it in 2024. Black and hispanic dads don't like liberal white women lecturing their kids about gender fluidity or about the gloryholes, pardon me, _glories_ of having two dads any more than white dads do.

Hispanic males can be pretty based. The Chilean military is literally the Prussian model.

There ought to be some savvy Republican strategists out there who can map hispanic attitudes among States. I'd say somewhere from 40 - 60% of the hispanics who land in Florida or Texas want to get a good, manly job, drive a good, manly pickup truck, and vote Republican in their tacky exurb with lots of big box stores. The hispanics who land in California (or Chicago?) want to be "community activists" or join the Men Wearing Gold Chains culture.

By the way, Steve ought to have a look at Ben Affleck's 'The Accountant 2' for more of Hollyweird's hilarious, patronizing view of hispanics. They're either destitute women and children, gunslinging hombres, or non-pretty girlbosses. I don't think hispanic men would like it.

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Frau Katze's avatar

I’ve tried to suggest to Dems that men in women’s sports is a big vote loser. Then some fanatical trans progressive jumps all over me. “Selling out to hate.” Blah blah blah. They’re extremely aggressive.

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Danfromdc's avatar

Having seen your closet…

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The Anti-Gnostic's avatar

Steve's going to be recording a podcast from the master bedroom closet and we're going to hear a family member using the water closet one of these days.

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Danfromdc's avatar

Family- I have booked the bedroom closet from 2pm-4pm today. Sincerely, Steve (Dad)

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The Anti-Gnostic's avatar

I am right now picturing Steve putting a post-it on the master suite door (podcast - do not disturb). The guy really needs a home office befitting his status. Isn't he an empty-nester by now?

I get the sense Steve is never leaving California despite the fact that he could lower his tax burden and COL substantially by moving. So every penny counts.

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Ralph L's avatar

It doesn't seem like the newcomers will want to keep funding SS/Medicare at full tilt when those soon have to fight for annual appropriations instead of living off IOUs. But those are sacred Dem programs, so they say. What will they support when the federal gravy train runs out of steam: higher payroll taxes or soak the rich into depression? What special treats are they getting from the states of California, NY, and others?

The proposed 3.5% remittance tax is so low, it's hardly worth the trouble to collect.

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Derek Leaberry's avatar

Yep. Raise it to ten percent.

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Sam McGowan's avatar

Those who put their focus on demographics are ignorant of the fact that people are individuals with minds of their own. The assumption are going to vote a certain way because of which demographic they belong to is just that, an assumption. Political power comes about by managing to convince people to vote a certain way. Sometimes this is achieved by activism, but as often as not it is by propaganda. Rememember that the South was once thought of as "the Solid South" because Southerners tended to vote for Democrats because of what the Radical Republicans did during Reconstruction. Now the South is the most Republican part of the nation with the exception of certain counties in Mississippi, Alabama and Georgia where the population is mostly black and ruled by political bosses who tell them how to vote just like white Democrats used to do.

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questing vole's avatar

Whether demographics are destiny or not is not necessarily the issue. The political parties will change to reflect the voters (and the money) who support them. It's possible that a crazily progressive Democratic Party will continue to alienate not only Hispanics, but also Asians of various sorts. It's also possible that the Republican Party eventually caves to some sort of amnesty program if the deportation policies are not successful (however success might be measured). As others have mentioned, both parties have altered their policy positions on numerous issues over the past 60ish years: e.g. legal and illegal immigration, free trade/protection, abortion on demand, homosexual rights/wrongs, American imperial ambitions, etc. It stands to reason that both parties will continue to do so over the next 60ish years.

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Erik's avatar

This is the correct answer. There is some stickiness to political identity. One does not simply spend a lifetime voting for the good guys and suddenly vote for the bad guys. It takes a long time and maybe some large generation shaping event before one realizes that he was actually voting for the bad guys in the prior three elections!

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Derek Leaberry's avatar

Writers for the modern AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE are a youngish, socially liberal crowd at odds with Buchanan conservatism. I found Mr. Day tedious and his inevitability claims are a bit silly. Events happen and politics can turn on its head at any time. For instance, after the 1928 landslide of Herbert Hoover, it looked as if the Republican Party would dominate American politics well into the future. They had won landslides in 1920 and 1924 as well. But Wall Street collapsed in the Fall of 1929 and a Great Depression ensued. The Democratic Party would dominate American politics for fifty years.

Sailer's law is still correct. Republicans should push the white vote but also realize that most Hispanics consider themselves white. Legal and illegal immigration should be reduced drastically.

As for 2025's elections, I see a crushing defeat for Republicans in Virginia. The Democratic candidate for Governor is an attractive white woman named Abigail Spanberger. She's married, took her husband's surname and is the mother of three. The Republican candidate for Governor is a black woman with a hyphenated last name. The Republican candidate for Lt.-Governor is a homosexual. If Republicans keep nominating sure losers, they're going to be beaten, simple as that.

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Towne Acres Football Trust's avatar

yeah, wtf is wrong with the gop in va?

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barnabus's avatar

They got majoritized by RINOs - same as in California

Besides, VA is where well-off fed-employed people prefer to live. They hate Donald.

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Derek Leaberry's avatar

About right. Reagan won Fairfax County with about 63 % of the vote in 1984. Trump won only 31 % in 2024. Theoretically, Reagan is to the right of Trump. The people living in Fairfax County changed.

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Derek Leaberry's avatar

Three big things happened to the Virginia Republican Party since about 1980. First, the national Republicans failed miserably in cutting the national government, including the defense industry. People have to live somewhere and the government bureaucrats moved to northern Virginia because Montgomery County was all filled up, Washington DC is too expensive and Prince Geroge's County is heavily black. Second, the Republican laissez-faire ideology encouraged the real estate industry in northern Virginia to build and build and build. Most of those new homes are owned by "Foreign-Americans" who couldn't give a hoot for conservatism or traditional American culture. Third, the Republicans of Virginia have nominated losers for state offices since their last big win in 2009. Governor Youngkin is a fluke. He only won when Terry McAuliffe committed a large gaffe about ten days before the 2021 Governor's election.

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Bill Price's avatar

The Anglo-Protestant view of race is already on the way out, I think, to be replaced with something more like the global norm, in which there's a continuum.

If we control our borders it wouldn't surprise me if the US actually started to become genetically more European even as "pure" Europeans became a lower proportion of the population.

So I don't think 20th century racial politics will necessarily apply in the future. What we see in LA isn't so much an issue of race as it is of nationality. Southern California has fostered a sense of national distinction from the rest of the US. Hispanics there are not Hispanics in Texas or Florida. Whites there are not like whites in Idaho or Ohio.

Also, I think it's possible that Mexico's ongoing civil war has just spilled over the border with these riots, and that's going to become clear as resistance to federal law enforcement becomes entrenched.

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barnabus's avatar

I don't think the Anglo-Protestant view of race is on the way out. If USA survives its defeat, it will reestablish merit.

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Christopher B's avatar

You can read Ruy Teixeira's thoughts directly here on SubStack, and I think he pretty emphatically disagrees with this atricle's 's thesis. He's been banging on since almost 2016 that his assumption in the Emerging Majority was not that non-whites would replace working class whites but would cement the Democrat majority by adding to them. He's been pointing to a bunch of recent surveys showing Hispanics are starting to vote ideologically like whites rather than ethnically, to Republicans benefit.

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Derek Leaberry's avatar

Well-explained.

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Rob Mitchell's avatar

I'm no legendary socio-political commenter (about time Sailer's working class strategy got credit from some journalist!), but my reading of the cross-tabs suggests: (1) the persistence of the gender divide is the most obvious key to predicting the directionality of the Hispanic vote going forward, (2) the related second key is whether young Hispanic--male and female--can be coaxed (or conned) into attending college in the numbers whites have in the past 40 years. As with the trending Republican successes in 2016, 2020 and 2024, there is a heavy helping of irony here for conservatives. High turnout is better for Republicans, not Dems. Assimilation to mid-20th Century American culture, which saw college for kids and mainstream liberalism as the epitome of that culture, will be bad for Republicans, particularly if it emasculates the Hispanic male as it has white college educated Boomers and succeeding generations.

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barnabus's avatar

TAC of 2025 is no longer the TAC of 2010s. I think Peter van Buren is OK, but they let go of Rod Dreher and most of their newer crew I don't think is "reliable".

With respect to permanent D majorities or permanent R majorities - I think the script will be rewritten anyway as USA is currently displaying technological defeat vis-a-vis the Russo-Chinese alliance in Ukraine. With Trump, Republicans have become a National Conservative party. National conservative parties everywhere are demographically working class parties and USA is no exception.

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Derek Leaberry's avatar

I used to subscribe and contribute to The American Conservative. Not anymore. Most of The American Conservative writers were in diapers when Pat Buchanan started the magazine in 2002. The TAC's writers are socially left. I don't care for them.

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barnabus's avatar

In that sense, letting go of Dreher of course made sense.

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Derek Leaberry's avatar

Yes. Dreher was too reactionary socially. The young man who runs The American Conservative looks like a soy boy and let's leave it at that.

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The Anti-Gnostic's avatar

Rod Dreher alienated his whole family, publicly threw his deceased sister and deceased father under the bus as soon as they were in the ground, and brags about doxxing one of his kid's teachers for wrongthink. Rod is not an ally.

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barnabus's avatar

Dissidents are like that. Otherwise, why be dissident, lol?

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The Anti-Gnostic's avatar

Sailer is a dissident but I’ve yet to see him doxx someone over “racism” or piss on his family members’ graves. Rod likes to claim dissident status and just about gets his toe in the water before retreating back to his hipster-conservatism.

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Towne Acres Football Trust's avatar

Did you catch his recent article about “woke right wingers” and his apology article the day after!

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Derek Leaberry's avatar

I agree with a lot of what Dreher believes but he admits he is an ex-liberal. He probably doesn't understand Pat Buchanan, Sam Francis, John Derbyshire and Steve Sailer. I would have gotten along with Dreher's father and sister more than I would him. Dreher is an ally but you've got to watch him.

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Frau Katze's avatar

How did he throw them under the bus? I hadn’t heard about that.

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The Anti-Gnostic's avatar

He scorched his deceased father in a column, and wrote patronizing, critical comments about his decreased sister. None of his extended family will have anything to do with him, and apparently the only person in his immediate family who still talks to him is his oldest son.

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Frau Katze's avatar

OK. Thanks for the info. I wasn’t reading him at the time, although he still alludes to some type of family problem,

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The Anti-Gnostic's avatar

The column on evil racist pop should be easy to find. His comments on his sister are scattered here and there but his book on her was patronizing and appalled his parents and extended family. He's a good thinker but some really disordered personality issues there.

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Frau Katze's avatar

I’ll check it out. Thanks.

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Towne Acres Football Trust's avatar

The Dems coalition will never hold because too many groups within it hate each other. We saw a bit of this crack in the dems wall after Oct 7 already.

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The Anti-Gnostic's avatar

Palestine is killing the Democratic coalition. Josh Shapiro is their perfect nominee for 2028 but it will not happen. One member of the loony Left has already tried to assassinate him and his family members.

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Derek Leaberry's avatar

I think the Democrats will nominate Mr. Hair of California for President and Abigail Spanberger, future Governor of Virginia, as VP.

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Boulevardier's avatar

I think the author has some good points and I do agree that the GOP needs to work on winning more of the white vote regardless. However, I am not as pessimistic because there will be some convergence of culture that favors whites. Blacks will remain a group apart as they have low levels of intermarriage and other groups generally do not look to integrate into their culture. On the other hand, there are an increasing share of white/Hispanic marriages and it tends to be white husband/Hispanic wife, so who's culture wins? Same thing with Asians - their women are most likely to marry outside their race and it's mostly white men.

I do think it's valid to assume economics will play the biggest role, so that's something the GOP has to remain focused on. But although the US is going to get more Hispanic by ethnicity, I don't think it's going to be as proportionally culturally Hispanic.

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Derek Leaberry's avatar

I think you will see that most Hispanics consider themselves white and part of the mainstream. They despise blacks. Urban Hispanics trend Democrat as does the political class.

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Slaw's avatar

Richard Alba has been arguing for some time now that the majority minority prediction for the US is unlikely to occur since that would require shuffling mixed race children into the "minority" category. Half of all mixed race kids self describe themselves as white however.

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Derek Leaberry's avatar

Just anecdotally, I used to go to church with a couple who would be listed as minority. The woman was lovely but part-Hispanic and part-Italian. Her white husband was a Marine from Texas. They have since moved to Kansas but they have six children. Technically, the census bureau considers them Hispanic because they are one-quarter Mexican. But everyone would call them white, including their parents. They will likely marry whites eventually.

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Slaw's avatar

There's a comedian named Al Madrigal in San Francisco who has a joke about the children he's had with his wife.

"What do you get when you mix a quarter Mexican, a quarter Greek, a quarter Sicilian and a quarter Korean? A white person."

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Derek Leaberry's avatar

Yep. Maybe not by the one drop law. One of my best friends in high school was half-white and half-Japanese. We considered him white and we loved his Japanese mother even though he was half-white. He married a white woman and had two children. One looks white and the other Japanese. Genetics is a funny thing.

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Tina Trent's avatar

Working on the 2012 and 2016 presidential races in Florida and Georgia, I discovered our biggest enemies were the Kochs. All their organizations are paid internal thugs, termites to destroy the TEA movement in order to keep the borders open. All their state and national leaders, like Slade O'Brian, have nothing but contempt for actual citizen activism. Avoid AFP, Freedomworks, and all other Koch organizations. They have open contempt for you behind closed doors and have nationally produced the worst sort of anti-effective Manchurian Candidates to discredit us, including those taking over state GOPs in places like Georgia. Believe me, I'm no fan of RINOS, but these people are worse: they're open-borders, empty the prisons, legalize all drugs obsessive leftitarians. They took over the real Libertarian Party decades ago. And they pay for the worst stealth people ruining our movement: AEI, George Mason babblers, National Review, Bulwark, etc. They own and purged Conservatism, Inc. in the last few years. I watched good people lose their jobs. Follow the money.

Now they openly partner with Soros foundations. Look it up, though it's hard to do so.

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Tina Trent's avatar

And working in Florida in a tomato town, I knew many legal Mexican TEA Party folk. Not Cuban, though they were on board too. Their numbers have only grown.

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