When I moved to a new neighborhood in the city, I started picking up trash from the street and depositing or in people's' trash cans along our dog walking route. Soon, there was very little trash to retrieve and it didn't come back. Until I arrived, the same trash lay there for months and months. No one knew what I did, but we had clean streets in the neighborhood had no taxpayer cost and for very little effort..
Homicide rates in South Shore are 76 and in Greater Grand Crossing 67.
Not a huge difference.
Don't we expect hotspots to happen by random chance?
Is Ludwig doing any more than uncover naturally occurring random differences, such as people once did to 'discover' that there were cancer hotspots in certain small villages?
Or is Greater Grand Crossing really populated by public-minded citizens who encourage hot-headed people to 'calm down, calm down' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LulqXjPABgY
Of course, if Harry Enfield had made a similar comedy sketch about Black people being so hot-headed, it would never have been shown on the BBC.....
My wife and I actually went to a couple of open houses in South Shore's Jackson Park Highland neighborhood in the 1980s. You could get a nice house a few blocks from Jesse Jackson's house for cheap. It looked like more than a few white college professors lived there back then. We decided the crime risk wasn't worth the potential gentrification profits, but it was at least interesting.
The north end of South Shore back then was like a minor league Hyde Park, home of the U. of Chicago, which was pretty expensive back then.
We bought our 1800 square foot condo in Uptown six miles north of dowtown in the first block in from the lakefront park for $120,000 in 1988. Obama bought his 2200 sf condo in Hyde Park for $284,000 (his Honolulu grandmother helping out considerably) in 1991. (I hope I have these numbers right.)
I get the impression that South Shore kind of fell apart after the big steel mill south of it shut down in 1992.
I'm told that over the last decade, the Wall Street firms that buy houses have been investing in South Shore thinking it will eventually gentrify, but that hasn't happened yet.
A white guy I used to know, scholarship football player in the '70s, loved to tell the story about the time he received a grade of D- on his Epistemology mid-term at Cal. He went in to speak to the professor, a refugee from Nazi Germany, and in thickly accented English the guy said, "my boy, if you were to achieve another D- on the final, we would have to conclude that your cerebral capacity is sadly lacking."
Really, people thought this? "All of our policies have conceived of gun violence as a problem of System 2 slow thinking, when I think it’s, actually, mostly a problem of System 1 fast thinking." It has never occurred to me to think that violence is a result of reasoning, it's almost always from anger, emotion and lack of impulse control. I'm curious to know if anyone here has ever thought violence was due to System 2 thinking.
It's pushback on the idea taught to us by television that most violence in the 'inner city' is drug gangs fighting Don Corleone style for precious drug territory.
love it but the ending is wrong. The white man doesn't walk away because he remembers how great it is to be white. It's because he knows the situation can only escalate. That white guy with his coffee might be up for some posturing but almost definitely not for violence.
He may not be talking directly about IQ but "but normal people making bad decisions in fraught, difficult, 10-minute windows" is a commentary on lack of executive function.
Stupid people resort to murder. Blacks in Chicago have a higher murder rate because they are the most stupid ethnic group in America on average. Hispanics are smarter so their murder rate is lower than the blacks. Whites and Asians are intelligent, commit few murders, and only a few unlucky ones are victims, usually because they live in the vicinity of blacks. Hispanics tend not to kill whites or Asians. Surely, what I just typed is politically incorrect but it is true.
“Difficult, 10-minute windows” is one hell of a euphemism.
Surely, Ludwig doesn’t actually think that poor Hispanic and Asian neighborhoods would erupt into gun violence if not for the presence of these so-called “interrupters.” Not all populations are equally likely to find themselves in “difficult, 10-minute windows,” nor are they equally likely to mishandle them so that they escalate to homicide.
If you need to be told not to shoot someone over shoes, I don’t want you in my community *even if you don’t end up shooting someone over shoes.* Your poor judgment is a ticking time bomb.
A gun with a 10-minute trigger, like a delayed shutter on a camera, would certainly lead to some interesting results. You'd have to link up with the prediction technology from 'Minority Report'to hit your target.
This is another example of "educated. yet idiot." The reason for the disparity in shootings is obvious: it's who lives there. It's not just Chicago. Look at the numerous shootings that take place in conjunction with celebrations of some kind. It's nearly always blacks. By the way, handguns are not necessarily "illegal." As for demographics, I live just outside of Houston where there is a shooting nearly every day. Nine times out of ten it's either blacks or Hispanics, often illegals.
My son is of the cohort that wasn’t able to go to school due to the late unpleasantness and his school’s overwrought response to it. He was able to successfully learn calculus under those circumstances.
Some kids go to school and yet don’t learn; other kids learn even if prevented from going to school. We all know it’s not down to the location of the classroom.
There must surely be a magnifier effect on the consequences of fast/reactive thinking. I have been in these situations in places like Palo Alto and I ramped up (mildly) because I know in Palo Alto a local 'tough guy' isn't actually going to through down over a perceived grocery store slight. If I lived in a bad neighborhood with a culture that said weakness = excellent victim, I my instincts might be set more hair-trigger and willing to throw the first punch.
So you start with a population with a slightly higher tendency to shoot over sneakers and you concentrate them in one place like U238 and boom
‘Responsible grown ups who are willing to intervene’ makes me think of the Wayan Brothers’ movie Menace to South Central where the main character Ashtray has to tuck his father into bed every night before he goes out partying.
In general, these ideas are so stupid only smart people can come up with them.
“…normal people making bad decisions in fraught, difficult, 10-minute windows”
These are not normal people. When Heinlein wrote that “an armed society is a polite society,” he was referring to a society of people capable of anticipating the consequences of rash words or actions. These are not those kinds of people.
“…eyes on the street to sort of step in and interrupt”
Look what stepping in and interrupting got Daniel Penny. According to the new liberal orthodoxy, the real heroes were the people who DIDN'T call the police while Kitty Genovese was being murdered.
A great and a telling point about stepper-inner Daniel Penny. Between the article and the interview transcript, the Atlantic devoted 9,100 words to journalist Jerusalem Desmas' story.
Space limitations prevented Desmas from getting University of Chicago economist Jens Ludwig's views on Penny's intervention, and on the NYC establishment's subsequent efforts to defend the Culture of Caring in shared public spaces.
When I moved to a new neighborhood in the city, I started picking up trash from the street and depositing or in people's' trash cans along our dog walking route. Soon, there was very little trash to retrieve and it didn't come back. Until I arrived, the same trash lay there for months and months. No one knew what I did, but we had clean streets in the neighborhood had no taxpayer cost and for very little effort..
Just an aside, our German family name is Ladwig, meaning north branch. Ludwigs are from the inferior south branch.
According to Wikipedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Chicago
Homicide rates in South Shore are 76 and in Greater Grand Crossing 67.
Not a huge difference.
Don't we expect hotspots to happen by random chance?
Is Ludwig doing any more than uncover naturally occurring random differences, such as people once did to 'discover' that there were cancer hotspots in certain small villages?
Or is Greater Grand Crossing really populated by public-minded citizens who encourage hot-headed people to 'calm down, calm down' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LulqXjPABgY
Of course, if Harry Enfield had made a similar comedy sketch about Black people being so hot-headed, it would never have been shown on the BBC.....
haha. Reminds me of that great Monkees song 'Randy Scouse Git'
My wife and I actually went to a couple of open houses in South Shore's Jackson Park Highland neighborhood in the 1980s. You could get a nice house a few blocks from Jesse Jackson's house for cheap. It looked like more than a few white college professors lived there back then. We decided the crime risk wasn't worth the potential gentrification profits, but it was at least interesting.
The north end of South Shore back then was like a minor league Hyde Park, home of the U. of Chicago, which was pretty expensive back then.
We bought our 1800 square foot condo in Uptown six miles north of dowtown in the first block in from the lakefront park for $120,000 in 1988. Obama bought his 2200 sf condo in Hyde Park for $284,000 (his Honolulu grandmother helping out considerably) in 1991. (I hope I have these numbers right.)
I get the impression that South Shore kind of fell apart after the big steel mill south of it shut down in 1992.
I'm told that over the last decade, the Wall Street firms that buy houses have been investing in South Shore thinking it will eventually gentrify, but that hasn't happened yet.
I never use the term 'low IQ' when talking about my unsuccessful university students. I prefer the technical term 'stupid'.
A white guy I used to know, scholarship football player in the '70s, loved to tell the story about the time he received a grade of D- on his Epistemology mid-term at Cal. He went in to speak to the professor, a refugee from Nazi Germany, and in thickly accented English the guy said, "my boy, if you were to achieve another D- on the final, we would have to conclude that your cerebral capacity is sadly lacking."
Really, people thought this? "All of our policies have conceived of gun violence as a problem of System 2 slow thinking, when I think it’s, actually, mostly a problem of System 1 fast thinking." It has never occurred to me to think that violence is a result of reasoning, it's almost always from anger, emotion and lack of impulse control. I'm curious to know if anyone here has ever thought violence was due to System 2 thinking.
It's pushback on the idea taught to us by television that most violence in the 'inner city' is drug gangs fighting Don Corleone style for precious drug territory.
The drive-by shooting is too sexy and makes good television.
The Boondocks explained this years ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKZbyC1ccMY
love it but the ending is wrong. The white man doesn't walk away because he remembers how great it is to be white. It's because he knows the situation can only escalate. That white guy with his coffee might be up for some posturing but almost definitely not for violence.
Stupid people are incapable of projecting consequences of their actions into the future.
He may not be talking directly about IQ but "but normal people making bad decisions in fraught, difficult, 10-minute windows" is a commentary on lack of executive function.
Stupid people resort to murder. Blacks in Chicago have a higher murder rate because they are the most stupid ethnic group in America on average. Hispanics are smarter so their murder rate is lower than the blacks. Whites and Asians are intelligent, commit few murders, and only a few unlucky ones are victims, usually because they live in the vicinity of blacks. Hispanics tend not to kill whites or Asians. Surely, what I just typed is politically incorrect but it is true.
“Difficult, 10-minute windows” is one hell of a euphemism.
Surely, Ludwig doesn’t actually think that poor Hispanic and Asian neighborhoods would erupt into gun violence if not for the presence of these so-called “interrupters.” Not all populations are equally likely to find themselves in “difficult, 10-minute windows,” nor are they equally likely to mishandle them so that they escalate to homicide.
If you need to be told not to shoot someone over shoes, I don’t want you in my community *even if you don’t end up shooting someone over shoes.* Your poor judgment is a ticking time bomb.
hehe 'erupt into gun violence'. They're infecting you with their double speak. I know, it's difficult to resist.
Anyway, let's not be hasty. Isn't the obvious solution a ten minute waiting period on firing a handgun?
Yeah, I was using Ludwig’s framing for the sake of argument. Obviously, gun violence doesn’t “erupt,” like a volcano, without human agency.
A gun with a 10-minute trigger, like a delayed shutter on a camera, would certainly lead to some interesting results. You'd have to link up with the prediction technology from 'Minority Report'to hit your target.
They'll have to be a lot more careful about where they carry. No guns in waistbands.
Maybe they can set it up so you can shoot sooner if you can convince a GPT that the other guy deserves it.
This is another example of "educated. yet idiot." The reason for the disparity in shootings is obvious: it's who lives there. It's not just Chicago. Look at the numerous shootings that take place in conjunction with celebrations of some kind. It's nearly always blacks. By the way, handguns are not necessarily "illegal." As for demographics, I live just outside of Houston where there is a shooting nearly every day. Nine times out of ten it's either blacks or Hispanics, often illegals.
My son is of the cohort that wasn’t able to go to school due to the late unpleasantness and his school’s overwrought response to it. He was able to successfully learn calculus under those circumstances.
Some kids go to school and yet don’t learn; other kids learn even if prevented from going to school. We all know it’s not down to the location of the classroom.
There must surely be a magnifier effect on the consequences of fast/reactive thinking. I have been in these situations in places like Palo Alto and I ramped up (mildly) because I know in Palo Alto a local 'tough guy' isn't actually going to through down over a perceived grocery store slight. If I lived in a bad neighborhood with a culture that said weakness = excellent victim, I my instincts might be set more hair-trigger and willing to throw the first punch.
So you start with a population with a slightly higher tendency to shoot over sneakers and you concentrate them in one place like U238 and boom
Chain reaction: a useful metaphor.
Atlantic must have "Oh wow" in their style guide.
"Oh wow" is up there with "super weird" in the vocabulary of our top intellectuals.
‘Responsible grown ups who are willing to intervene’ makes me think of the Wayan Brothers’ movie Menace to South Central where the main character Ashtray has to tuck his father into bed every night before he goes out partying.
In general, these ideas are so stupid only smart people can come up with them.
“…normal people making bad decisions in fraught, difficult, 10-minute windows”
These are not normal people. When Heinlein wrote that “an armed society is a polite society,” he was referring to a society of people capable of anticipating the consequences of rash words or actions. These are not those kinds of people.
“…eyes on the street to sort of step in and interrupt”
Look what stepping in and interrupting got Daniel Penny. According to the new liberal orthodoxy, the real heroes were the people who DIDN'T call the police while Kitty Genovese was being murdered.
A great and a telling point about stepper-inner Daniel Penny. Between the article and the interview transcript, the Atlantic devoted 9,100 words to journalist Jerusalem Desmas' story.
Space limitations prevented Desmas from getting University of Chicago economist Jens Ludwig's views on Penny's intervention, and on the NYC establishment's subsequent efforts to defend the Culture of Caring in shared public spaces.
It's not a very interesting topic, anyway.
So the Magic Dirt is a golf course?
"lowlifes start to leave their illegal handguns at home"
What's stopping them from getting concealed carry permits, their juvie records?