You believe the news? You take everything Trump says at face value? Of course he’s planning. By that I don’t mean he’s personally designing a successor regime for Iran, just that he’s pushing things in a certain direction, and quite intentionally.
I'm more intrigued by the response from the Democrats. The hysterics are a bit too over the top and shows how this is just political peacocking from Democrats trying to distract from their unwillingness to put forth a resolution against Iran action, but now perform theatrics for effect after the fact. That is why every Democrat is clamoring to get in a social media video clip or MSM soundbite to show their displeasure.
The last thing they ever were going to do would was to have a vote and get it put down on record in Congress against attacking Iran. That creates a permanent mark. That is ready-made midterm material if this works out perfectly (or close enough) for Trump & Co. That would upset major donors of the party who are happy to see a foe in the region taken down that helps their financial interests. It also somewhat shields them from accusations of being unpatriotic.
Not officially being against Trump's actions regarding Iran allows the "anti-war" liberal democrats to keep their false reputations with their base. A true Uniparty system at work.
1. I support the strikes but there are costs to not even pretending to debate this among the people’s representatives.
2. Almost no one would dare, but it’s not impossible that someone dares to kill high-ranking American officials in America.
There are 538 Senators and Representatives who the second they leave Capitol Hill are very much vulnerable to a motivated hostile state to attack.
This is the risk of normalizing assassinations. It can blowback on our own elites directly.
3. I’m stunned at how little in the discourse Oct 7 has been featured. Maybe our elites want to downplay the fact that Israel is a major player in the American decision to strike Iran and the world has gone made with anti-Jew anti-Israel sentiment *after* Israel was victimized on Oct 7.
Unlike most groups in the Middle East, except the Israelis and the Lebanese Christians and maybe a few others, the Iranians have semi-decent IQ scores, so I'm cautiously hopeful.
Candidate Trump campaigned on no new wars and especially in the Middle East. We voted for no new wars. Americans are suffering, can't afford: rent, groceries, mortgages, can't get jobs, can't make a decent living, paying outrageous taxes. Our tax money should not be using our blood and treasure for Israel. Let Israel fight their own wars. This is NOT America first. This is NOT what his supporters voted for. This is what Charlie Kirk was talking about in the months leading up to his assassination. He kept saying: No war with Iran.
I’m American First and the whole world is celebrating and thanking Trump right now. I was also very much against the Iraq war. Since 1979 the Iranian regime has been the avowed enemy of the US, the largest exporter of terrorism in the world. They were working on building intercontinental ballistic missiles. Trump saw an opportunity and took it. We have not had president with that much fortitude in my long lifetime. This one act has the potential to project a peace through your lifetime and your children’s lifetime.
This! I've been supporting Trump in the face of family and friends with TDS, but I'm done. DOGE didn't expose enough waste and fraud, and ICE hasn't deported enough illegals, to make up for a new war.
You have no concept of how little most presidents get done. Since you don’t have a sense of history, you have no patience, but like it or not, Trump is one of the most consequential presidents ever. And you’re whining about him not getting enough done? Get a clue.
In general, I think most presidents get snowed by bureaucrats who are very good at playing Very Serious People and giving the President Goldilocks options designed to make sure they pick the "just right" one.
And, the military industrial complex is no exception and doubtless also deployed the stick "mushroom cloud in Manhattan" and carrot "peace in the Middle East". Neither is remotely likely, and we really don't have any national interest in messing around there.
That said, if someone gave me the chance to kill the Ayatollah, it would be hard to resist.
Unlike Bush Jr., Trump strikes me as a realist and pragmatist so I don’t see the US being bogged down, especially if the Shah’s kid can galvanize the country.
I'll probably be in the minority in this comment section but I'm glad Trump had the stones to do this. The Iranians have been responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths around the world for the last almost 50 years. I have friends who were blown up and killed or wounded by Iranian EFPs. The Iranians are directly responsible for thousands of American's deaths so it's about time somebody made them pay for it. Every American government till now has cowered to Iranian bluster and threats. Obama tried to suck up to them and pay them off, hoping they'd like us. Instead, they used Obama's billions to spread more death around the world and they still chanted "Death to America." Now it's up to the Iranian people to rise up and take control. This action is giving them their chance to do it.
People don't realize all the pies Iran has (had) their fingers in: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Gaza, Yemen, and so on. After the Oct 7 festivities, Israel degraded but did not root out Iranian mischief-making in the region. And, as always, vermin left unexterminated tend to re-infest the area. Same with the nuke development; it would've become an annual chore to bunker-bust the previous year or two's work on the project. Then, all you'd need would be a Biden or Harris or Mayor Pete and four years' clear sailing, and a whole new set of REAL problems would pertain in the region.
With the mullahs deposed, a fully Westernized and US-friendly Shah will be running a rapidly modernizing constitutional monarchy rejoined to the West. The icing on the cake is KSA and Israel signing the Abraham accords and bringing the remaining shards of regional instability under control. With Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon on the road to recovery, the region can finally develop away from its oil wealth and use the talents of its smart and enterprising citizens (and maybe even an Islam modernized for contemporary times) to good effect.
With a bit of luck and some (newly) enlightened leadership both in the region and in a (drastically) reformed UN and EU, the Middle East could be on the verge of a Renaissance unseen in the world for going on 500 years. One can hope.
Best outcome: regime change to a moderate government, Iran drops bid for nuclear weapons and long-range missiles, big drop in support to terrorism via Iranian proxies, Russian war hurt by loss of some drones provided by Iran, China loses influence in Middle East.
Worst outcome: regime survives and continues weapons and terrorism policies. China sees opportunity to move on Taiwan.
President Trump has said all along that he wants to end wars, and although he's not perfect at it, he's been generally successful. It seems that he views what the ayatollahs have been doing as waging a guerilla/terrorist war against Israel, the U.S. and any other country they've perceived as being in the Israel/U.S. camp for decades now. So he regards, and I agree, that attacking Iran isn't STARTING a new war but rather is the only possible way to END that long lasting war.
Israel war, but aren’t they all?
Trump is fixing the world one country at a time, best President ever!
I think bombing schools full of little girls is bad.
Since the Ayahollah crowd did it you are making yourself a fellow traveler. Your parents must be very proud of you, their little Muzsymp.
Yes it’s pretty bad, that’s why the irgc should be removed.
If Kathleen Lowry is right that would make little boys fair game.
Are you sure the US did that?
I wish I knew enough, but I don’t. I’m just hoping this goes the way Venezuela did. I guess it depends on who takes power in Iran.
There was a plan with Venezuela. The Trump administration had been in communication with Delcy Rodriguez (Maduro’s vice president.)
With Iran, there is apparently no plan at all.
That’s silly. Trump is obviously planning.
He has no plan for after the bombing stops. Read the news.
You believe the news? You take everything Trump says at face value? Of course he’s planning. By that I don’t mean he’s personally designing a successor regime for Iran, just that he’s pushing things in a certain direction, and quite intentionally.
Iranian citizens have been powerless victims for decades.
I wouldn’t expect much.
I'm more intrigued by the response from the Democrats. The hysterics are a bit too over the top and shows how this is just political peacocking from Democrats trying to distract from their unwillingness to put forth a resolution against Iran action, but now perform theatrics for effect after the fact. That is why every Democrat is clamoring to get in a social media video clip or MSM soundbite to show their displeasure.
The last thing they ever were going to do would was to have a vote and get it put down on record in Congress against attacking Iran. That creates a permanent mark. That is ready-made midterm material if this works out perfectly (or close enough) for Trump & Co. That would upset major donors of the party who are happy to see a foe in the region taken down that helps their financial interests. It also somewhat shields them from accusations of being unpatriotic.
Not officially being against Trump's actions regarding Iran allows the "anti-war" liberal democrats to keep their false reputations with their base. A true Uniparty system at work.
Why wouldn't America ally with Israel
Would you ally with Fredo or even Barzini rather than Michael
They're taking care of all family business
Btw what's wrong with Muslim counter anything
1. I support the strikes but there are costs to not even pretending to debate this among the people’s representatives.
2. Almost no one would dare, but it’s not impossible that someone dares to kill high-ranking American officials in America.
There are 538 Senators and Representatives who the second they leave Capitol Hill are very much vulnerable to a motivated hostile state to attack.
This is the risk of normalizing assassinations. It can blowback on our own elites directly.
3. I’m stunned at how little in the discourse Oct 7 has been featured. Maybe our elites want to downplay the fact that Israel is a major player in the American decision to strike Iran and the world has gone made with anti-Jew anti-Israel sentiment *after* Israel was victimized on Oct 7.
Unlike most groups in the Middle East, except the Israelis and the Lebanese Christians and maybe a few others, the Iranians have semi-decent IQ scores, so I'm cautiously hopeful.
Candidate Trump campaigned on no new wars and especially in the Middle East. We voted for no new wars. Americans are suffering, can't afford: rent, groceries, mortgages, can't get jobs, can't make a decent living, paying outrageous taxes. Our tax money should not be using our blood and treasure for Israel. Let Israel fight their own wars. This is NOT America first. This is NOT what his supporters voted for. This is what Charlie Kirk was talking about in the months leading up to his assassination. He kept saying: No war with Iran.
I’m American First and the whole world is celebrating and thanking Trump right now. I was also very much against the Iraq war. Since 1979 the Iranian regime has been the avowed enemy of the US, the largest exporter of terrorism in the world. They were working on building intercontinental ballistic missiles. Trump saw an opportunity and took it. We have not had president with that much fortitude in my long lifetime. This one act has the potential to project a peace through your lifetime and your children’s lifetime.
This! I've been supporting Trump in the face of family and friends with TDS, but I'm done. DOGE didn't expose enough waste and fraud, and ICE hasn't deported enough illegals, to make up for a new war.
You have no concept of how little most presidents get done. Since you don’t have a sense of history, you have no patience, but like it or not, Trump is one of the most consequential presidents ever. And you’re whining about him not getting enough done? Get a clue.
In general, I think most presidents get snowed by bureaucrats who are very good at playing Very Serious People and giving the President Goldilocks options designed to make sure they pick the "just right" one.
And, the military industrial complex is no exception and doubtless also deployed the stick "mushroom cloud in Manhattan" and carrot "peace in the Middle East". Neither is remotely likely, and we really don't have any national interest in messing around there.
That said, if someone gave me the chance to kill the Ayatollah, it would be hard to resist.
Iranian state media have officially confirmed that Ayatollah Khamenei is dead.
Unlike Bush Jr., Trump strikes me as a realist and pragmatist so I don’t see the US being bogged down, especially if the Shah’s kid can galvanize the country.
I'll probably be in the minority in this comment section but I'm glad Trump had the stones to do this. The Iranians have been responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths around the world for the last almost 50 years. I have friends who were blown up and killed or wounded by Iranian EFPs. The Iranians are directly responsible for thousands of American's deaths so it's about time somebody made them pay for it. Every American government till now has cowered to Iranian bluster and threats. Obama tried to suck up to them and pay them off, hoping they'd like us. Instead, they used Obama's billions to spread more death around the world and they still chanted "Death to America." Now it's up to the Iranian people to rise up and take control. This action is giving them their chance to do it.
I'm a fan.
People don't realize all the pies Iran has (had) their fingers in: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Gaza, Yemen, and so on. After the Oct 7 festivities, Israel degraded but did not root out Iranian mischief-making in the region. And, as always, vermin left unexterminated tend to re-infest the area. Same with the nuke development; it would've become an annual chore to bunker-bust the previous year or two's work on the project. Then, all you'd need would be a Biden or Harris or Mayor Pete and four years' clear sailing, and a whole new set of REAL problems would pertain in the region.
With the mullahs deposed, a fully Westernized and US-friendly Shah will be running a rapidly modernizing constitutional monarchy rejoined to the West. The icing on the cake is KSA and Israel signing the Abraham accords and bringing the remaining shards of regional instability under control. With Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon on the road to recovery, the region can finally develop away from its oil wealth and use the talents of its smart and enterprising citizens (and maybe even an Islam modernized for contemporary times) to good effect.
With a bit of luck and some (newly) enlightened leadership both in the region and in a (drastically) reformed UN and EU, the Middle East could be on the verge of a Renaissance unseen in the world for going on 500 years. One can hope.
Iran was even selling missiles to Russia!
Best outcome: regime change to a moderate government, Iran drops bid for nuclear weapons and long-range missiles, big drop in support to terrorism via Iranian proxies, Russian war hurt by loss of some drones provided by Iran, China loses influence in Middle East.
Worst outcome: regime survives and continues weapons and terrorism policies. China sees opportunity to move on Taiwan.
Khamenei is dead, Iranian state TV has confirmed.
President Trump has said all along that he wants to end wars, and although he's not perfect at it, he's been generally successful. It seems that he views what the ayatollahs have been doing as waging a guerilla/terrorist war against Israel, the U.S. and any other country they've perceived as being in the Israel/U.S. camp for decades now. So he regards, and I agree, that attacking Iran isn't STARTING a new war but rather is the only possible way to END that long lasting war.