Steinbrenner getting suspended for his weird Winfield obsession was the best thing to happen to the Yankees since they bought Babe Ruth. While he was gone Bob Watson assembled the Torre dynasty, which would have never happened under George, who would have traded away Rivera or Posada because he ate a bad breakfast burrito. And by the time George got back, even he wasn't reckless enough to wreck a good thing, as much as he tried.
Maybe the Republicans can follow the same strategy and after Donnie wins send him back to Mar-A-Lago to bicker with the press while Vance assembles a dynasty.
George and Donnie are masters of bluster, great at writing checks, but are also their own worst enemy and need to be kept far from the daily operation of anything, just like a rich kid needs to be kept from driving Daddy's Rolls.
The Yankee dynasty was put together by Gene Michael, who was fired in the wake of the Yankees blowing a 2-0 lead in the 1995 ALDS against the Seattle Mariners. Watson and Torre were hired in the aftermath.
Yes, because during the first Trump termv when he was fully in charge at all times, the economy plummeted, we plunged into multiple foreign wars and crime went through the roof right?
Long-time New York talk-show host Mark Simone, who has known Trump personally for decades, says that the significance of Trump's connection with Cohn that "The Apprentice" makes is greatly exaggerated. I believe you're correct that Steinbrenner was a far bigger influence on Trump.
One of my typical goals is to make my posts less esoteric by tying them into current or recent events: off-hand, for example, George Steinbrenner would seem like a forgotten figure. But he's not to Donald Trump. And you've probably seen Larry David play him in a Seinfeld rerun in the last few years. Oh, and Steve Garvey is running for US Senate. And the Dodgers and Yankees are playing in the World Series for the first time since Steinbrenner was in his irascible prime in 1981.
I grew up north of Atlanta and played baseball a lot but never aspired to the bigs and paid no attention to the game until the worst-to-first Brave season. Then I was all in. That's when I started trying imagine what Giants, Yankees and Dodgers all in the same town fighting for the same wins musta been like. Anyway, one of the Atlanta sportwriters reported that after at Braves-Dodger game at Turner Field, (located in a crime-ridden neighborhood), Lasorda decided to walk back to his hotel. The reporter says young toughs accosted Tommy thinkin' they would jack the old man for his wallet and watch. The story ended with the toughs escorting Tommy all the way back to his hotel, listening to his stories and agreeing with his advice. Is that tale apocryphal? Could be. IMO it fits right in with Lasorda's character. I bet those boy's ears were flamin' when Lasorda dropped'em off. Baseball is the best game on earth.
I always loved the story that All-Star catcher Mike Piazza was a lowly-regarded prospect and was only drafted by the Dodgers as a favor to his uncle Tommy.
Thank you. You are correct! Braves home field in 1991 was Fulton County Stadium. The site of the old stadium today is a parking lot; or it was when I was at the site back in 2003. As I recall, the FCS site was the parking lot for Turner Field. So the tough neighborhood would be the same.
In '91 the Braves were still in the Western Division of NL. I was living in L.A. when Braves made their run from worst to first. The only MLB park I've ever visited in my life is Dodger Stadium. The Brave's big winning streak fired me up enough to check it out. It was beautiful. My initial impression when I saw the inside of Dodger Stadium for the first time: "This like being in church without a preacher to mess things up." lol After the '91 season, I'd go to a day game @ Dodger Stadium once in while to enjoy the crowd and the peace and quiet. My favorite seat is the nosebleed section behind home plate. Six bucks on game days back then. On away days, they'd let me come in for free with a book and spend an afternoon, looking out over that field, surrounded by the vastness of the empty stadium and the San Gabriel mountains to the north.
Disagree. Plenty of adult blacks know exactly who Clarence Thomas is. And for the most part, they don't like him one iota.
The most celebrated blacks are definitely adored and worshipped--but NOT if they refuse to put the race, the group first. IF a black is popular and achieves wealth and fame, but explicitly refuses to parrot the pro-black line, then automatically they're considered to be sellouts, traitors, and ... "acting too white".
Example: Candace Owens. Plenty of blacks know exactly who she is, and she has some considerable fame and wealth due to being a commentator. Yet most of her fans, the majority, tend to be white. Three guesses as to why that is the case.
Uh, yes. They would embrace Thomas wholeheartedly if "Came to his senses" and put the race, his race, first. Perhaps not as subtle as other ethnics, but the racial pride among blacks is very explicit and it is publicly there.
> Mrs. Garvey was sleeping with Oscar-winning composer Marvin Hamlisch
Mrs. Garvey was probably most famous as being Regis Philbin's cohost in both Los Angeles and New York before the show went national with Kathie Lee Gifford. I always found it peculiar that his most famous co-hosts were both the wives of prominent athletes.
> engaged in a war of all against all carried out on the back covers of the New York tabloids
For those who aren't from the area, the back cover of a New York tabloid is a place of prominence; it is the equivalent to the front page of the sports section of a broadsheet paper, except more-so because it is more easily displayed.
Which is why Trump was so close with Vince McMahon, another guy just like Steinbrenner: brash, willing to fire and yet willing to rehire at the drop of a hat (Vince was famous for never having anyone comfortable), and in the 1990s, Vince embraced a trick that he'd long avoided but Donald thought just peachy keen: deliberately pushing the envelope in terms of acceptability/good taste, and self-moving the Overton Window.
To summarize: by the mid-1990s Vince McMahon was near bankruptcy. After the near-fatal federal steroid criminal trial (in which Vince was acquitted but saw his reputation ruined, his finances in shambles from legal fees, and his attention drawn away to the trial rather than his business), some hushed-up company sex scandals, and the decline and then departure of superstar HUlk Hogan, the WWE was losing ratings, ticket sales, PPV sales, and fans. Rival WCW scooped up Hogan and many other big names and put on a TV show directly opposite to WWE on Mondays and was cleaning the WWE's clock.
Now, Vince had always said he wanted to be the "Walt Disney of wrestling", and thus meaning it was a family friendly, kid-packaged experience designed to sell merch. But in the mid-1990s it wasn't working. Facing bankruptcy, he swerved to a teenage-friendly, swearing, sex-and-obscenity fueled type of wresting called The Attitude Era, led by new superstar Steve Austin. It worked, the WWE's ratings came back, and Vince ultimately bankrupted WCW and bought it.
After that, Vince slowly pulled back from The Attitude Era, slowly going back to more family-friendly fair, but always keeping one foot in the door of attitude in case finances dipped.
Trump likely learned a lot from this, especially as he dealt with his own bankruptcies: in order to win when you're down to nothing, you need to embrace everything controversial, to push the envelope to his preferred position. Hence why he embraces "build the wall" and "illegals eating cats" rhetoric: he knows that he can't play by conventional rules or he'll be conventionally trounced.
When you read the history of the 50s, you'd think Roy Cohn ended up vanquished like Pete Best of the early Beatles. But no. Cohn was an effective lawyer well into the Reagan 80s and was George Steinbrenner's lawyer and young Donald Trump's confidante.
I read up on Pete Best when I fell down a Wikipedia hole. Apparently, the word was he was kicked out of the Beatles for being *too good looking.* Apparently, at early Beatles shows when they weren't that good girls were coming to see him most of all, which rankled the other 3. Plus Ringo was seen as a better drummer.
And surprisingly Best was closer with John Lennon, while he was not really friendly with Paul or George --- figure that one out, as Paul and George had much nicer reputations than nasty John.
Best was apparently kicked out via phone call from Epstein (Beatles manager), because the other 3 were too chicken to do it. Decades later Best got some residuals from the Beatles but apparently Paul never spoke to him again after he was kicked out. Me thinks there was something more going on---maybe Best slept with one of Paul's girls, or slept around with the other guys' girls, and that's what made him not wanted? I mean Ringo is a very good drummer by most accounts, but the cold shoulder he got seems to indicate something more.
Much of what you say is true. However, all three of the other Beatles thought Ringo Starr a much better drummer. Lennon commented that Best "moved the sticks" but was rather mediocre as a drummer. Harrison and Starr were particular friends before Starr joined the Beatles. The big three Beatles thought Best was a bit stand-offish and his hairstyle was stuck in the 50s. Best kept his hair like Jerry Lee Lewis while the other three Beatles went to the mop-top. Epstein booted Best because the others didn't have the guts to do so in person. Long after the Beatles broke up, Best wrote a book about his time with the Beatles and McCartney was kind enough to write a forward. Best received royalties from the Anthologies and he is probably a millionaire today.
This makes sense overall, but the mediocre drumming would appear to be an after the fact justification for why they went with Ringo. Before joining the Beatles, Ringo worked with Rory Storm's band and was well known to the big 3 as he too grew up in Liverpool area. Plus, unlike Best, Ringo had his own personality, especially on stage--charisma. Various polls taken in mid 60's indicate in the US at least, Ringo was usually voted as the fans favorite Beatle (and the films Help! and HDN had major plots that focused around Ringo to showcase his personality). Best didn't have that kind of charisma. But oftentimes, its the pettiness and not the creative musical things as to why band members are replaced by other musicians. By '62, Best was on his way out; the refusal for a while not to get with it, and change his hair to resemble the others was probably the final straw. The 1979 film "Birth of the Beatles" covers this aspect regarding Pete Bests time with the Beatles and why he was shown the door rather well.
I recall reading Art of the Deal, and while Trump name-checks Cohn as a good lawyer he'd worked with, and makes allusions to Cohn being gay and Trump being ok with that, Trump really didn't make much of Cohn in the book as some kind of mentor.
This flick sounds like some kind of fever dream the Boomer commies have made up to explain their irrational hatred of Trump, by tying him to their irrational hatred of Nixon and the mid-century anti-Communists who nearly kicked them out of power.
No, Harris is like Gerald Ford 0.2. There is no way to set the requirement for competence low enough that Kamala could meet it. Ex-congressman George Santos would make a more suitable president.
Mr. Steinbrenner was also obsessed with beating the Mets on air and for the back page. Torre’s Yankees said the 2000 World Series was the most stressful. They had to beat the MetsZ
"I don’t think there is anybody in American public life who loves the conflict of democratic politics more than Trump."
And the answer is fairly straightforward. Conflict invites attention. All eyes on him. Same reason Trump will agree to an interview with just about any format; he understands (especially at this point in his life) that he will get the attention, move the needle. All eyes on him. Conflict is action, and it requires a response.
Who's had the most attention, the most gravitas the 3 times he's run? Trump.
All eyes on him. It's what he lives and thrives for. Doesn't matter the situation. Whether he's running for president or doing the deal, or working at McDonalds. He gets all the attention.
His Dad was likely his biggest mentor, followed by Cohn and Steinbrenner.
Steinbrenner getting suspended for his weird Winfield obsession was the best thing to happen to the Yankees since they bought Babe Ruth. While he was gone Bob Watson assembled the Torre dynasty, which would have never happened under George, who would have traded away Rivera or Posada because he ate a bad breakfast burrito. And by the time George got back, even he wasn't reckless enough to wreck a good thing, as much as he tried.
Maybe the Republicans can follow the same strategy and after Donnie wins send him back to Mar-A-Lago to bicker with the press while Vance assembles a dynasty.
George and Donnie are masters of bluster, great at writing checks, but are also their own worst enemy and need to be kept far from the daily operation of anything, just like a rich kid needs to be kept from driving Daddy's Rolls.
The Yankee dynasty was put together by Gene Michael, who was fired in the wake of the Yankees blowing a 2-0 lead in the 1995 ALDS against the Seattle Mariners. Watson and Torre were hired in the aftermath.
my bad i totally spaced the Stick. but if u can remember the 90s probably means you weren't there, right? 😆
Yes, because during the first Trump termv when he was fully in charge at all times, the economy plummeted, we plunged into multiple foreign wars and crime went through the roof right?
Brian Cashman worked under Bob Watson, and helped assist in delveoping talent. Cashman has been with NY organization for nearly 40 yrs.
Long-time New York talk-show host Mark Simone, who has known Trump personally for decades, says that the significance of Trump's connection with Cohn that "The Apprentice" makes is greatly exaggerated. I believe you're correct that Steinbrenner was a far bigger influence on Trump.
Trump should have been in Angels in America
This is a contender for the most content-rich iSteve posting of all time.
iSteve is the other place
One of my typical goals is to make my posts less esoteric by tying them into current or recent events: off-hand, for example, George Steinbrenner would seem like a forgotten figure. But he's not to Donald Trump. And you've probably seen Larry David play him in a Seinfeld rerun in the last few years. Oh, and Steve Garvey is running for US Senate. And the Dodgers and Yankees are playing in the World Series for the first time since Steinbrenner was in his irascible prime in 1981.
Very well done. Reading it was like watching an episode of that Connections series that was on PBS years ago.
In the annals of MLB, no one is going to so readily forget George Steinbrenner. Especially in New York.
I grew up north of Atlanta and played baseball a lot but never aspired to the bigs and paid no attention to the game until the worst-to-first Brave season. Then I was all in. That's when I started trying imagine what Giants, Yankees and Dodgers all in the same town fighting for the same wins musta been like. Anyway, one of the Atlanta sportwriters reported that after at Braves-Dodger game at Turner Field, (located in a crime-ridden neighborhood), Lasorda decided to walk back to his hotel. The reporter says young toughs accosted Tommy thinkin' they would jack the old man for his wallet and watch. The story ended with the toughs escorting Tommy all the way back to his hotel, listening to his stories and agreeing with his advice. Is that tale apocryphal? Could be. IMO it fits right in with Lasorda's character. I bet those boy's ears were flamin' when Lasorda dropped'em off. Baseball is the best game on earth.
I always loved the story that All-Star catcher Mike Piazza was a lowly-regarded prospect and was only drafted by the Dodgers as a favor to his uncle Tommy.
Something like the 60th round. The baseball draft doesn't get that far anymore.
> Is that tale apocryphal?
It is in the sense that Tommy never managed a game at Turner Field, although he could have been attending in an emeritus status
Thank you. You are correct! Braves home field in 1991 was Fulton County Stadium. The site of the old stadium today is a parking lot; or it was when I was at the site back in 2003. As I recall, the FCS site was the parking lot for Turner Field. So the tough neighborhood would be the same.
In '91 the Braves were still in the Western Division of NL. I was living in L.A. when Braves made their run from worst to first. The only MLB park I've ever visited in my life is Dodger Stadium. The Brave's big winning streak fired me up enough to check it out. It was beautiful. My initial impression when I saw the inside of Dodger Stadium for the first time: "This like being in church without a preacher to mess things up." lol After the '91 season, I'd go to a day game @ Dodger Stadium once in while to enjoy the crowd and the peace and quiet. My favorite seat is the nosebleed section behind home plate. Six bucks on game days back then. On away days, they'd let me come in for free with a book and spend an afternoon, looking out over that field, surrounded by the vastness of the empty stadium and the San Gabriel mountains to the north.
Reminds you that Trump has really been around a long time.
Remember that F. Scott Fitzgerald said there are no second acts in American life? Trump is on his fourth.
I thought Cohn was the most sympathetic character in Angels in America.
The Apostate Jew is one of the most hated characters amongst Jews. They never forget a turncoat against The Tribe.
Wonder if this is similar to blacks never forgetting what they consider to be an Uncle Tom, sell out, or traitor to their people?
The Judas meme extends far back into history than some realize it does.
Disagree. Blacks always forget. Jews never do.
Test that theory: go ask blacks what they think of Clarence Thomas.
Most of them would go "Clarence who?"
And if he switched to some kind of affirmative-action loving lefty, the Black Leaders would embrace him completely.
Go test that theory.
For blacks, the most celebrated is the rehabilitated.
Disagree. Plenty of adult blacks know exactly who Clarence Thomas is. And for the most part, they don't like him one iota.
The most celebrated blacks are definitely adored and worshipped--but NOT if they refuse to put the race, the group first. IF a black is popular and achieves wealth and fame, but explicitly refuses to parrot the pro-black line, then automatically they're considered to be sellouts, traitors, and ... "acting too white".
Example: Candace Owens. Plenty of blacks know exactly who she is, and she has some considerable fame and wealth due to being a commentator. Yet most of her fans, the majority, tend to be white. Three guesses as to why that is the case.
Uh, yes. They would embrace Thomas wholeheartedly if "Came to his senses" and put the race, his race, first. Perhaps not as subtle as other ethnics, but the racial pride among blacks is very explicit and it is publicly there.
> Mrs. Garvey was sleeping with Oscar-winning composer Marvin Hamlisch
Mrs. Garvey was probably most famous as being Regis Philbin's cohost in both Los Angeles and New York before the show went national with Kathie Lee Gifford. I always found it peculiar that his most famous co-hosts were both the wives of prominent athletes.
> engaged in a war of all against all carried out on the back covers of the New York tabloids
For those who aren't from the area, the back cover of a New York tabloid is a place of prominence; it is the equivalent to the front page of the sports section of a broadsheet paper, except more-so because it is more easily displayed.
Which is why Trump was so close with Vince McMahon, another guy just like Steinbrenner: brash, willing to fire and yet willing to rehire at the drop of a hat (Vince was famous for never having anyone comfortable), and in the 1990s, Vince embraced a trick that he'd long avoided but Donald thought just peachy keen: deliberately pushing the envelope in terms of acceptability/good taste, and self-moving the Overton Window.
To summarize: by the mid-1990s Vince McMahon was near bankruptcy. After the near-fatal federal steroid criminal trial (in which Vince was acquitted but saw his reputation ruined, his finances in shambles from legal fees, and his attention drawn away to the trial rather than his business), some hushed-up company sex scandals, and the decline and then departure of superstar HUlk Hogan, the WWE was losing ratings, ticket sales, PPV sales, and fans. Rival WCW scooped up Hogan and many other big names and put on a TV show directly opposite to WWE on Mondays and was cleaning the WWE's clock.
https://infogalactic.com/info/Monday_Night_Wars
Now, Vince had always said he wanted to be the "Walt Disney of wrestling", and thus meaning it was a family friendly, kid-packaged experience designed to sell merch. But in the mid-1990s it wasn't working. Facing bankruptcy, he swerved to a teenage-friendly, swearing, sex-and-obscenity fueled type of wresting called The Attitude Era, led by new superstar Steve Austin. It worked, the WWE's ratings came back, and Vince ultimately bankrupted WCW and bought it.
After that, Vince slowly pulled back from The Attitude Era, slowly going back to more family-friendly fair, but always keeping one foot in the door of attitude in case finances dipped.
Trump likely learned a lot from this, especially as he dealt with his own bankruptcies: in order to win when you're down to nothing, you need to embrace everything controversial, to push the envelope to his preferred position. Hence why he embraces "build the wall" and "illegals eating cats" rhetoric: he knows that he can't play by conventional rules or he'll be conventionally trounced.
When you read the history of the 50s, you'd think Roy Cohn ended up vanquished like Pete Best of the early Beatles. But no. Cohn was an effective lawyer well into the Reagan 80s and was George Steinbrenner's lawyer and young Donald Trump's confidante.
I read up on Pete Best when I fell down a Wikipedia hole. Apparently, the word was he was kicked out of the Beatles for being *too good looking.* Apparently, at early Beatles shows when they weren't that good girls were coming to see him most of all, which rankled the other 3. Plus Ringo was seen as a better drummer.
And surprisingly Best was closer with John Lennon, while he was not really friendly with Paul or George --- figure that one out, as Paul and George had much nicer reputations than nasty John.
Best was apparently kicked out via phone call from Epstein (Beatles manager), because the other 3 were too chicken to do it. Decades later Best got some residuals from the Beatles but apparently Paul never spoke to him again after he was kicked out. Me thinks there was something more going on---maybe Best slept with one of Paul's girls, or slept around with the other guys' girls, and that's what made him not wanted? I mean Ringo is a very good drummer by most accounts, but the cold shoulder he got seems to indicate something more.
Much of what you say is true. However, all three of the other Beatles thought Ringo Starr a much better drummer. Lennon commented that Best "moved the sticks" but was rather mediocre as a drummer. Harrison and Starr were particular friends before Starr joined the Beatles. The big three Beatles thought Best was a bit stand-offish and his hairstyle was stuck in the 50s. Best kept his hair like Jerry Lee Lewis while the other three Beatles went to the mop-top. Epstein booted Best because the others didn't have the guts to do so in person. Long after the Beatles broke up, Best wrote a book about his time with the Beatles and McCartney was kind enough to write a forward. Best received royalties from the Anthologies and he is probably a millionaire today.
This makes sense overall, but the mediocre drumming would appear to be an after the fact justification for why they went with Ringo. Before joining the Beatles, Ringo worked with Rory Storm's band and was well known to the big 3 as he too grew up in Liverpool area. Plus, unlike Best, Ringo had his own personality, especially on stage--charisma. Various polls taken in mid 60's indicate in the US at least, Ringo was usually voted as the fans favorite Beatle (and the films Help! and HDN had major plots that focused around Ringo to showcase his personality). Best didn't have that kind of charisma. But oftentimes, its the pettiness and not the creative musical things as to why band members are replaced by other musicians. By '62, Best was on his way out; the refusal for a while not to get with it, and change his hair to resemble the others was probably the final straw. The 1979 film "Birth of the Beatles" covers this aspect regarding Pete Bests time with the Beatles and why he was shown the door rather well.
Yogi, I agree with every point you make. And Starr had charisma. Of the four Beatles, he's the only one who could really act.
I recall reading Art of the Deal, and while Trump name-checks Cohn as a good lawyer he'd worked with, and makes allusions to Cohn being gay and Trump being ok with that, Trump really didn't make much of Cohn in the book as some kind of mentor.
This flick sounds like some kind of fever dream the Boomer commies have made up to explain their irrational hatred of Trump, by tying him to their irrational hatred of Nixon and the mid-century anti-Communists who nearly kicked them out of power.
Makes sense
Norman Vincent Peale
Carter was also a fan. Harris is like Gerald Ford 2.0
No, Harris is like Gerald Ford 0.2. There is no way to set the requirement for competence low enough that Kamala could meet it. Ex-congressman George Santos would make a more suitable president.
Mr. Steinbrenner was also obsessed with beating the Mets on air and for the back page. Torre’s Yankees said the 2000 World Series was the most stressful. They had to beat the MetsZ
Meanwhile,
https://babylonbee.com/news/9-ways-trump-is-exactly-like-hitler
"I don’t think there is anybody in American public life who loves the conflict of democratic politics more than Trump."
And the answer is fairly straightforward. Conflict invites attention. All eyes on him. Same reason Trump will agree to an interview with just about any format; he understands (especially at this point in his life) that he will get the attention, move the needle. All eyes on him. Conflict is action, and it requires a response.
Who's had the most attention, the most gravitas the 3 times he's run? Trump.
All eyes on him. It's what he lives and thrives for. Doesn't matter the situation. Whether he's running for president or doing the deal, or working at McDonalds. He gets all the attention.