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Brettbaker's avatar

But then people might decide we need to use the "California Program of ADOS Ethnic Cleansing" on a national level.....

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Grand Mal Twerkin's avatar

Huh?

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Almost Missouri's avatar

Indeed that is exactly what everyone decided some time ago, which is exactly why they are all keen to prevent anyone else from doing that. How are they going to pass their hot potatoes (blacks) to someone else if everyone else is doing exactly the same thing?

For these urban renewal/gentrification (de-blacking) programs to work, someone needs to be the Greater Fool. The Greater Fool is the one who still believes The Narrative. Sadly for the ethnic cleansers, no one really believes The Narrative anymore. The only ones proclaiming The Narrative are the ones trying to palm off their ethnic hot potatoes on someone else, anyone else.

After the irrational exuberance of the George Floyd era, the market for the violent felon matrix population has comprehensively collapsed. Unfortunately, the usual successor stage to market collapse is government intervention. If no one will take the violent offender population, the government will force someone to take them.

The good news is that the Trump administration has now established the precedent of shifting undesirables to foreign shores. So far it is limited to a few non-citizens, but the precedent is set and the bureaucratic machinery is established. Lincoln's dream may at last be realized.

https://www.unz.com/jtaylor/the-true-face-of-the-great-emancipator/#p_1_7:24-50

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Boulevardier's avatar

I am not sure we should be too quick to think cities are locked into holding onto their criminals because no one else will take them. There are a lot of wealthier suburbs of big cities that are shifting blue since upper income whites have become Democratic voters.

Carmel, Indiana, which is regularly ranked as one of the best places to live in the US and is also known for the viral TikTok of its massive and well equipped high school, voted for Kamala last fall, as did the neighboring city of Fishers which is similar. The glories of diversity are regularly talked up and there are now Democrats who represent these places at the state legislature and city council levels who openly want to embrace progressive politics.

So while I do think it’s true more people are waking up to the realities of crime and/or hardening their attitudes, there are still plenty of well off bubbles whose residents think the laws of criminal gravity don’t apply to them.

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AMac78's avatar

> there are still plenty of well off bubbles whose residents think the laws of criminal gravity don’t apply to them.

In the environs of Rust Belt City, there are still plenty of well-off residents who think the laws of criminal gravity don't apply to not-too-distant lower-status neighborhoods.

Or perhaps they do apply: is the difference really that important?

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Oklp's avatar

That rino idiot aaron renn talks up Carmel constantly. Thanks for showing he is just a rino idiot who is a really a progressive in disguise.

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Boulevardier's avatar

Easy there. He is right that Carmel does do a lot of things right to be an attractive place to live. My point is that even successful and traditionally conservative places are seeing changes in their politics thanks to upper income whites, and this is likely going to result in changes that degrade the overall quality of life.

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Oklp's avatar

AWFLS and upper class whites seem to be nyc wanna ne striver douchebags who would let their own kids be killed before they are called racist.

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Steve Sailer's avatar

An interesting question is whether gentrification increases or decreases black homicides overall. Tearing down housing projects near downtown Chicago seemed to mostly reshuffle murders to the outer part of Chicago. On the other hand, blacks leaving Compton, CA for Moreno Valley in the exurbs seems to have lowered overall killings. I could imagine that the gangsta culture in Compton got so bad that starting over in Moreno Valley allowed people to settle into a less insane lifestyle.

It needs studying.

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Boulevardier's avatar

Certainly breaking up some of the social dynamics in a neighborhood would also change behavior or opportunities for conflict. One difference in your example is that former residents of public housing were probably given Section 8 vouchers, which meant that although they were more dispersed than before they still clustered to some extent at properties in neighborhoods that accepted them so old rivalries might have traveled. People leaving Compton under their own steam are only limited by what they could afford with their own means and could more easily break away from that.

People on Section 8 are mostly a total mess. Lower income people that can support themselves without it are less likely to be as bad.

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ScarletNumber's avatar

Wind of Change (Jan 1991) was the biggest hit of the German band Scorpions but they didn't coin the phrase. It seems to have originated with Conservative British prime minister Harold Macmillan in January 1960 in a speech given in Gold Coast; it signaled to his party that the process of the decolonization of Africa should continue post haste, which it did...

> The wind of change is blowing through this continent. Whether we like it or not, this growth of national consciousness is a political fact

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DAVID HANLON's avatar

I think he gave that speech to the South African Parliament in Cape Town.

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ScarletNumber's avatar

That was his second (and more famous) iteration of the speech which occurred a month later

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Ian's avatar

Another interglacial?

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Steven Carr's avatar

The 1898 white supremacist uprising was, of course, led by Democrats - a point not lost on NYT writers who knew that they could not mention the political affiliation of the white supremacists.

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Grand Mal Twerkin's avatar

Lynchings and riots by whites back then were in response to rapes, robberies and murders by blacks. Blacks have always been an immoral and violent race

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Notes from the Under Dog L.'s avatar

It's par for the course of their inability to connect causes to effects that they wail about lynchings without ever considering that perhaps there was a reason for it. Like that idiot documentary The 19th in which they argue that black men are randomly plucked off the streets and thrown into prison -- for no reason.

It beggars disbelief, but this is blatant stupidity, and it's high time white people stop taking them and their piss poor reasoning seriously.

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Rory Bellows's avatar

I was also skeptical of that comment by the times. If there truly was a “white supremacist uprising that killed 60 black men” we would constantly hear about it in media even now as well as have in schools for half a century. My guess is that it’s similar to the “Tulsa massacre” the media was hawking a few years back where any actual investigation was that it was a tit for tat interracial conflict in a much more violent time.

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Contra Stultum's avatar

They probably think they're a toning for that sin.

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White Collar Barbarian's avatar

Sounds like the Democrat party at least had some good ideas back then. We could use them now.

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JMcG's avatar

The Daily Mail (For which, thank God.) has been doing its usual yeoman’s work on this. Last night they posted videos taken after the piece of filth murdered that poor girl. His fellow black passengers, male and female, reacted to the murder, not by rushing to her assistance, but by filming her dying moments and the spreading pool of her innocent blood.

A wind of change, indeed.

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Tina Trent's avatar

I was attacked by a nascent black serial killer in 1986 and luckily survived. I've been fighting this fight for almost 40 years, mostly pro-bono, always practically alone. By lobbying and writing, I lost my career before other people were even thinking about these things, let alone testifying -- alone -- and being called names by legislators on local tv. And being put on a "hate watch" list by the feds. And declared an "enemy of the ADL." Decades before you probably even thought about these things. And I use my real name.

A lot of good black cops and co-workers and detectives helped get me through it. I worked with black cops in Atlanta for 20 years, really tough, good, honorable, horribly pained men. I think of my folks' neighbor, a black nurse, who helped them through the horrors of their deaths and my brother's prolonged death from lifelong diseases. And she is one of the finest people I ever met.

The black criminal underclass is the real third rail that will tear us apart. But I reserve the majority of blame for white, elite leftists. I'm grateful I ended up in Atlanta, where I could work in construction with mostly black crews of men who would kick the ass of anyone who bothered me -- and did. The way past this point is to understand that the us against them is the good people against the bad people. And I don't have a drop of naievety left in my veins, but I won't stoop to treating people like colors.

Frankly, I'd rather be locked in a room with my rapist for the rest of my life than have to live among all the white leftists in academia and the media who are sacrificing normal people to the current maw.

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Tina Trent's avatar

OK. That's you: this is me. We have common ground and deep disagreements, but we can speak here, at least.

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James N. Kennett's avatar

Until she fell off her seat, it might not have been obvious to other passengers how badly Iryna Zarutska was hurt.

A longer video is doing the rounds, which shows that the first person to come to the aid of Zarutska was a black man. He was quickly joined by a white woman. Of course they could not stop Zarutska from bleeding out, but they did try.

The video also records the killer saying "I got the white girl", showing that the attack was racist.

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JMcG's avatar

The longer video shows other black passengers hurrying to film her death and the pool of her life’s blood running down the floor of the train.

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Danfromdc's avatar

Would the savage on the Charlotte metro have attacked a dark-haired white woman? Less likely imo. Blondes can be triggering for black maniacs.

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Grand Mal Twerkin's avatar

She had fair skin, but dark eyes eyes and bleached hair. Maybe vanity did her in

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Danfromdc's avatar

Yes, my point is women may start getting away from going blonde.

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JMcG's avatar

They’d be better off getting away from going unarmed.

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Wanda's avatar

I carry an S&W 642 and a Sig P229 (recommended by a federal law enforcement friend as a body gun in case I am disarmed of the 642). But in most circumstances in which a white woman is murdered in public, being armed wouldn't make any difference. The attack comes suddenly and without provocation or warning.

In fact, carrying may increase risk because the person believes that, should something happen, she can defend herself.

She can't.

But...knowing this, I still arm up. Maybe I should also wear IOTV-- not kidding about that.

Or...or...just live where they ain't. If you can.

I wish we lived in a civilized country.

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Ralph L's avatar

There was a study decades ago that found people who wear seat belts are more likely to cause accidents. They feel more secure, so are more likely to take risks that unbelted drivers won't.

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Tina Trent's avatar

I wasn't traditionally attractive and my rapist specialized in elderly women, black and white. Fist-raped an elderly cancer patient into an early grave. Rapists are generally more sexually ecumenical than white leftists.

Go figure.

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Elizabeth Hamilton's avatar

Come on Grand Mal Twerkin, her hair was hardly visible pulled back and under a cap. She was wearing no makeup and dressed in an unobtrusive uniform, hardly an example that day of vanity.

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Kathleen Lowrey's avatar

he's either an account set up to spew discreditable venom or a genuine loon, I would suggest "do not feed"

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Erik's avatar

That's my policy too. When he first appeared he said some clever things but it didn't take long ...

My feeling is that that is the way the left wants us to behave, i.e. no reasoned discussion of ideas outside the values of correct society--just spew hate. I'm against censorship but I don't see what using the N-word adds to the discussion here.

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Frau Katze's avatar

What account are you talking about?

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Tina Trent's avatar

Thanks.

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Craig in Maine's avatar

The “good” people of Maine (the ones that control taxes and spending) are convinced that if we award “affordable housing lottery winnings” to every “un-housed” addict all social ills will cease. The reason it hasn’t worked so far is because we haven’t spent enough money, “or something”.

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Boulevardier's avatar

I was involved with a project that had 15 units set aside for the homeless. Had multiple ODs in the first year with at least one fatal. Same property had a homicide earlier this year when a "youth" shot his stepfather dead in the hallway after an argument with the mother. Another project I know of had three deaths in its first year (out of like 50 units), including one being a child who ingested drugs left out by the parent.

We simply have a portion of the population that is incapable of policing themselves. It increasingly seems to me that the only options are either aggressively removing and institutionalizing them permanently or total neglect so their behavior lets nature take its course. The option of treating them like normal people who simply need more "resources" obviously does not work.

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Kathleen Lowrey's avatar

Years ago I became familiar with an adult housing complex for adults with intellectual disabilities. There was not a violence problem but the entity that ran it said it took more time and energy than anything else they did. There were constant issues with maintenance, squabbles, opportunistic swiping of stuff, and one guy got caught in a police sting for corresponding in a sexual way with an underage girl who was actually a police officer. Normally I'd suggest such men be pushed into the nearest volcano but in his case it's likely he was simply delighted that anybody at all was writing back to him on a dating site.

These were people who were as they were by the hand of God, but they were A LOT to manage. "Support" wasn't enough; a tremendous amount of direct intervention was necessary on a continual basis. The idea that at base everybody just needs "support" to stay on the straight and narrow doesn't take into account strong human tendencies to dive straight towards trouble and devil take the hindmost.

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Boulevardier's avatar

I have some tangential experience with that as well and you are right - even with supportive services from organizations that specialize in dealing with this population, their unique needs mean they are far more management-intensive than average people.

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Erik's avatar

Here in Los Angeles the problem of homelessness has been solved. I have a friend who had a drug problem. She became homeless for a while. Social services began the process of taking her daughter away. She agreed to wear a drug sensing patch as part of that process and that kept her off drugs. She moved to a shelter with a bunch of other women in similar circumstances and eventually to subsidized housing. She is the most flaky irresponsible person I know and yet she was able to pull it together and do the minimum necessary to get into government program housing. BTW- she loves Trump.

The people I see camping on the streets are several steps worse than she is. They can't get it together enough to tale advantage of the programs. The problem is drug addiction and mental illness.

If you fail to acknowledge that we have solved the former problem, you'll never solve the latter.

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Notes from the Under Dog L.'s avatar

Why does the Progressive media protect black criminality?

What's in it for them -- and the rest of us?

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barnabus's avatar

They are protecting the Democrat voting machine.

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The Anti-Gnostic's avatar

Yes same reason city councilmen and mayors tolerate hoovervilles. Vote banks, and cushy social work and grant money for your friends.

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barnabus's avatar

You could only change THAT by introducing a high property value franchise. That was the British way in the 19th century. Or like the Prussian one, having a tricameral electoral system based on tax revenue. There, every elector fell into one of 3 electoral slots based on one bottom third, one middle third or one top third of total tax revenue.

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The Anti-Gnostic's avatar

"All men are created equal" is the most misbegotten and malapropriated phrase since "In Christ, there is neither Jew nor Greek."

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barnabus's avatar

All men are created equal doesn't mean one man one vote. It's only a reference to legal equality - not that a judge could decide alone cases against people type A and trial by jury needed in case of people type B. Many of the founding US states had franchise requirements. I think some also had local religious tests for officers and elected officials?

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Erik's avatar

I always assumed all men are created equal meant "equal in the eyes of god". It meant nothing about ability and didn't necessarily have implications for voting. People born in other countries were created equal to you; doesn't mean they get to vote for your local alderman

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Eva's avatar

Voting rights is the crux of the matter.

How about if you only get to vote if you are a citizen and had Federal

income tax liability on your prior-year tax return? You bought “shares” in the government and are a “shareholder.” Those who actually gave up resources to the government get to decide how those resources are allocated.

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barnabus's avatar

the question is not just that one pays tax to federal, state and local government, but also how much - the British system till after WW1 used a cut-off (franchise). The Prussian system had a more intricate bottom third, mid third and top third allocation, where people in each third entitled to equal share (amongst their third).

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michael mitchell's avatar

They are delusional: they see Dr. Huxtable, not Bill Cosby.

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countenanceblog the expat's avatar

The "muh crime is down" excuse almost always comes down to referring to actual homicides. Perhaps so, but the violent and violence-adjacent crime that causes the real quality of life issues are the crimes that aren't as serious as murder.

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Ralph L's avatar

I hadn't realized until recently that "affordable housing" always meant subsidized, with all that that entails.

The states that need asylums the most are in the worst financial shape due to mismanagement. We shouldn't enable them even more with Federal money.

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James N. Kennett's avatar

Unless the money is ringfenced for asylums.

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Guest007's avatar

Since Steve does not do public policy implementation, Steve refuses to think about how to get guns out of the hands of young black men when 29 states have constitutional carry laws and when Republicans are pushing to cut local taxes https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/07/politics/property-taxes-abolish-florida-texas

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barnabus's avatar

Irina was murdered with a knife.

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Guest007's avatar

Steve keeps wanting to go back to 1990's stop and frisk when 29 states have laws that would make stop and frisk impossible.

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barnabus's avatar

Laws can be changed.

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Guest007's avatar

The most likely change is more states adopt constitutional carry.

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barnabus's avatar

Maybe. But I don't see current red state discussion going that way. It's more about employing national guard in crime-infested and Dem-controlled big cities.

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Guest007's avatar

But Steve's policy proposal for the long term is more stop and frisk since the National Guard is not a long term solution. . Also, locking more people up for longer periods of time does not work when state and local governments are cutting spending.

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Michael Watts's avatar

What about constitutional carry would make stop-and-frisk impossible? It seems like it will work fine without adjustment.

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Guest007's avatar

Stop and frisk worked in NYC because, at the time, NYC had very tough gun laws. When openly carrying a handgun is not probable cause, then stop and frisk cannot work.

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PE Bird's avatar

You don't need to frisk someone with an open carry. The idea is to get illegal guns off the street. Criminals typically do not register their firearms.

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Ralph L's avatar

Most perps have multiple felonies. Possessing a handgun is illegal for them in most states.

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Paulus's avatar

Constitutional Carry doesn't allow convicted felons to own or carry firearms.

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Guest007's avatar

And would a beat cop know that some random individual is a convicted felon since possession of a firearm is no probable cause.

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The Anti-Gnostic's avatar

Same for Julie Schneule.

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barnabus's avatar

Tell me more about her :D ! Google has blacklisted references to her...

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The Anti-Gnostic's avatar

LOL could Big Tech be more evil. Just burn this motherfucker down.

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Erik's avatar

try Julie Gard Schnuelle

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barnabus's avatar

You mean 26-year-old Harold Rashad Dabney III? There is no pic?

OK, found now by specific searching. You are right, Big Tech Evil.

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The Anti-Gnostic's avatar

Way to keep your eye on the ball, sport.

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Guest007's avatar

Once again, Steve does not think in terms of public policy.

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barnabus's avatar

Elon has already remarked that every MSM medium is blanketting out the NC murder data point. Don't see how you can move people out of their bubble if there is a wall-to-wall non-reporting. My suspicion is that a lot of MSM is loss-making, and depends on rich and progressive sugar daddies.

If one wants to break into this bubble, one would probably need Congress and state/local legislatures awarding every mandate (or even the runner-up) with appropriate amount of media money, dependent on number of electors plus mandate duration. So legislators - either alone or in coalition, can build their media concerns according to their tastes. If it is done right, you would end up with two sides of any story - a progressive and a conservative one - in every electoral seat.

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Rachael  Morgan's avatar

I hope her memory will be the catalyst for real change

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Guest007's avatar

And what change will conservatives be willing to pay additional taxes to implement?

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The Anti-Gnostic's avatar

We don't need additional taxes. We just need to spend some of the governments' trillions they extract from private wealth on actual public goods.

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Guest007's avatar

If one want a larger county jail due to no bail and arrests of homeless, then be prepared to pay more local taxes.

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The Anti-Gnostic's avatar

Plenty of fat to cut, don't you worry.

Lynch mobs are even cheaper. We got the Overton frame shifted enough to elect Trump, we can get the Overton frame shifted for vigilantism too if you like.

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The Anti-Gnostic's avatar

Steve - you are still missing the low hangiest of the low hanging fruit. It's looking like a supermajority of the crime is being committed by a superminority of people, and we can tag them in a race neutral manner. Libertarian Jeremy Kauffman is pointing out recidivists with 3 or more prior crimes are committing 80% of all crime. Scott Alexander is reportedly saying 8 ARRESTS and you should be in prison for life. That's how obvious the numbers are getting.

Trump and Vance should start pushing for a national three strikes law. Two charges for conduct amounting to a violent felony, regardless of whether you get first offender treatment, nolle pross, or you plea them down, and the third strike you are OUT. Incorrigible. Execution or imprisonment for life. Heck, we'll be merciful and say the State parole board can consider letting you out after you've cooked for at least 30 years.

Don't we have this new toy called "AI" now? Let's pull some of the DOGE lads away from cataloging all the massive entitlements and grant fraud. Turn them loose on criminal recidivism. I bet they could have a statistical model built in an afternoon. We do not have to live like this.

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barnabus's avatar

Why not execute anyone who has a longer than 15 year sentence as a statutory law? With a 15 year sentence anyone is a net loss to the society anyway.

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JMcG's avatar

Because judges would then refuse to hand out such sentences.

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barnabus's avatar

Mandatory sentencing? Jury decision by simple plurality on sentence?

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JMcG's avatar

We already have juries sentencing convicts to death; sentences which are then not carried out by the states concerned.

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barnabus's avatar

All depends on who gets to be the governor

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JMcG's avatar

What you say is true, but will immediately result in disparate impact. Steve has been trumpeting the effects of allowing ourselves to be collared by the government and corporate policies meant to eliminate disparate impact for many, many years.

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Bob Thebuilder's avatar

Make Executions Great Again

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White Collar Barbarian's avatar

Why must we always dance around the subject of race? White people just need to get comfortable with segregating ourselves away from these fucking animals.

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James N. Kennett's avatar

It comes down to numbers. The USA already imprisons about 0.5% of its population. How many more are walking free with 8 or more arrests? I would guess that at least another 1% would need to be imprisoned, probably more. It would be a very expensive policy - though voters might accept the cost if it made their lives safer.

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Michael Watts's avatar

Per your discussion of Florence, I thought you might be interested in the typical mode of apartment living in a Chinese city:

It's possible to live in an apartment building that opens directly onto the street, but this isn't common.

Most buildings are part of a walled community called a 小区 ("small region"). Apartment buildings don't form a wall blocking the street themselves. Rather, an actual wall is built to protect the complex from the street, with manned gates to let residents in and out, and the buildings are freestanding inside the complex. Depending on how expensive the complex is, the grounds will also contain various amenities, such as exercise machines, landscaped walking paths, water features, children's playgrounds, and/or badminton courts.

It's not unlikely that there will also be a public park with more extensive playgrounds and walking paths located nearby.

In the complex where I lived in 2023, there was one large gate which was manned and generally stood open, and there was also a small gate which was unmanned, stood closed, and could be opened by looking into a camera and being acknowledged by automatic facial recognition. I was never registered for that, so I always used the large gate.

That complex was directly across the street from both a grocery store (on one block) and an enormous park (on another).

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Paulus's avatar

I visited a friend in Wilmington, NC, who lives in a large suburban development enclosed by a wall of outward-facing retail stores around its perimeter. Entrances have a gate requiring a key-card. Not as secure as it could be, but during a period of civil disorder it could be more easily closed off than the typical suburban neighborhood.

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Michael Watts's avatar

(Leaning more into the genre of "fun trivia", I glossed 小区 as "small region" above, and 区 does mean region now - the California "Bay Area" is translated 湾区 - but the character seems to have referred to these urban complexes first and later generalized to mean "region", since the traditional form 區 directly depicts a bunch of buildings (or, depending on interpretation, people) standing inside a wall.)

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Kathleen Lowrey's avatar

this is a suggestion that "as we become a low trust society let's live the way low trust societies do". It's really only Anglophone countries that have the open front lawn / house set up. Everywhere in the third world middle class family homes are within their own walled compounds. Once a colleague from North Africa remarked to me how nervous the standard Canadian home set up made him -- no surrounding wall! Living that way to him looked like walking around with no pants on, just what the hell? How could you ever be at ease?

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michael mitchell's avatar

Willie Horton.

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